is value investing the “holy grail” of financial investing ?
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Value Investor
Is Value Investing the “Holy Grail” of finance investing ?
Few slides to explain because the value investing is working well vs fundamental analysis and technical analysis
Some simple flowcharts to describe the Value Investing process on stocks and Bond-Stock allocation, bond and Etf, because we are focusing only on process of value investment
Update February 2017, included new
section on Value Disinvesting on
stocks and ETF stocks
Value Investor
Because value investing works
Value investing process on stocks
Bond-Stock allocation in value investing
Value investing process on bonds
Value investing process on ETFs
Value Disinvesting on stocks and ETF stocks
Conclusion
Comment
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Value Investor The idea is inside four books and …:
• Security Analysis, Graham & Dodd
• Intelligent Investor, Graham & Dodd
• Value Investing, Greenwald & …
• Stocks for the long run, Siegel
• Some my idea to make easier process
Introduction, always every investor is going to buy low and sell high, in addition all of them admit to buy securities at low price than the underlying real value
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Value Investor quote
“To invest successfully over a lifetime does require a stratospheric IQ, unusual business insights, or inside information, it is enough. What's needed is a sound intellectual framework for making decision and the ability to keep emotion from corroding that framework.” Warren Buffet
In few words to be a Value Investor.
“Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication“. Leonardo Da Vinci
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Because fundamental analysis and
technical analysis do not work
1. Technical analysis: based on analysis of particular chart shape on
price and volume, to forecast the next price movement
• Do you buy an house only because its price or trade volume is rising ?
• Do you buy a particular car model only because its price chart has a
“special shape”
Any Intelligent Investor answers NO, so there isn’t any reason because
technical analysis works well
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Because fundamental analysis and
technical analysis do not work
2 a. Fundamental macro analysis: many economic factors
unemployment rate, GDP, inflation and interest rate to forecast
economic trend and so to decide what group of securities to buy or sell
2 b. Fundamental micro analysis: analyzes the economic fundamentals
of the company and predict the future price of securities estimating the
cash flow or earning for next 10 years (not much easy)
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Because fundamental analysis and
technical analysis do not work
• Do you think is possible to do a reliable revenue forecast or profit forecast in next ten years ?
• Do you remember IMF forecast on emerging market (Brazil, Russia, …) in 2010 ? They was very brilliant but now in 2016 are in recession
Economic forecast in micro or macro area for long period (10 year) is extremely difficult, even in 3/5 years, in fact it is impossible
Intelligent Investor answers NO, so there isn’t any reason because fundamental analysis works well
However in each of these areas there are famous successful investor
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Because Value Investing works
1. Markets are not efficient and it is moody, swings between
depression and euphoria
2. Figure out balance sheet without extrapolation
3. Earning and revenue no forecast
4. Earnings Power value & Moat
5. There are not good or bad stocks, but there are good stocks where
there is good price
Afterwards, the value investing process is easy
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Value Investing on stocks
“Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication” in the Value Investing
is to identify stocks whose value as a business is reliably calculable by you
HOW
Low price book
Low P/E
Significant dividend yield and paid in last ten
years
Upward trend in profit in last ten years
Earnings Stability + Growth
Low value of debt
Strong financial condition
Durable competitive advantage (moat)
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Value Investing process on stocks
• Stock market in depression mood, least down 10%
• Cheap p/e market index compare 10y bond rate > 2% / 3%
(1/p/e) *100 - 10y A rate bond yield > 2% / 3% or great two third than bond rate. Least a 30% of safety margin
Stocks
• Normally Ignored
• Unfashionable
Next step “Valuation Criteria”
Environment criteria
No extrapolation
No forecast
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Value Investing process on stocks
• price book < 2
• How: use book value easy to get it
• p/e < 15
• How: use earning average five past years
• however price book * p/e < 25
• Significant dividend yield and always paid in last
ten years great than 1%
• Upward trend in profit and revenue in last ten
years at least grown 10%
• However earning stability over the time
Valuation criteria
No extrapolation
No forecast
Revenue > 500m
Public utility, asset > 1B
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Value Investing process on stocks
• Strong financial condition
• Debt / Equity < 1
• Current ratio > 2
• in public utility
Debt < 2 * book value
Next step “Competitive Advantage”
Valuation criteria
No extrapolation
No forecast
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Value Investing process on stocks
Earning Power Value
• Epv:= earning x 1/cost of capital
How: earning avg five past years
-cost of capital > A 10y bond + 3%
Compare Asset Value
and Earning Power
How: Asset Value book value
Epv < Book value Value Lost to Poor
Management and/or Industry
Decline
Epv = Book value Free Entry, Industry Balance
Epv > Book value Consequence of Comp.
Advantage and/or
Superior Management
Epv > book value * 1.5
Competitive Advantage
Extrapolation
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Value Investing process on stocks
“Sustainability” over the time depends
on continuing protection Barriers-to-Entry
that create value
Meaningful Management Performance
Product Differentiation
Customer Captive
Cheap Cost
Negative Evidence
Company evaluation
products, quality, news,
we understand the business …
Competitive Advantage
Forecast
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Value Investing on stocks
Where is the margin of safety ?
if selected stock meets all the criteria, then
you have chosen a cheap stock, hence you
are in a real safety margin
Don’t forget diversification, about 30 stocks and patience
Only long (you have advantage of secular GDP growth), never short
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Bond-Stock allocation
There are a huge number of securities type, but we identify
only some securities where the value is reliable and easily
calculable by you.
Stocks
Bonds
In addition we use also ETF
on stocks and bonds
Investment
Fund
Cfd
Certificate
Stock
Currency
Commodity
Etc
Etf
Convertible
bond
Bond
Securities
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Bond-Stock allocation
• Investor should never have less than 25% or more than 75% in
common stocks
• so inverse range between 75% and 25% of bond
• reduce stocks below 50% to 25% if the market is too high or too
expensive
• increase stocks upper 50% to 75% if the market is cheap or there are
many special bargains
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Bond-Stock allocation Bond-Stock allocation
Stocks: 25% to 75%
Bond: (100 – stocks range )%
Reduce stocks range Increase stocks range
dividend yield below
two-third of bond yield
Cheap p/e market index compare
10y bond rate < 2%
(1/p/e) *100 - 10y A rate bond yield < 2% or 2/3
Mean reversion
on a diversified portfolio of stock is nearly 7%
annual real return the United States
Compare a expecting the stock market growth
with historical growth
No one criteria matches
with “reduce stocks range”
Huge number of IPO Few stocks meet value investing criteria
Market mood in euphoria
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Bond-Stock allocation There are two ways to compute anticipated long-term returns (LTR)
LTR:= Nominal World GDP + dividend yield
or
LTR:= E/P + inflation
based on Graham formula where g is the growth expected in next seven to ten years and V is value
V= EPS * (8.5 + 2g)
we can make the converse of it and to determinate the growth rate anticipate by current market price
g=(p/e)/2 - 4.25
So we compare g, LTR and mean reversion of historical stocks yield
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Bond-Stock allocation
Work out: measuring the US stock market (June 2016)
world GDP 3.5
S&P Value 2112
P/E 24.2
Dividend Y% 2.18
Inflation 2.2
A Bond Y% 2.73
Avg return 5Y 10.45
Avg return 10Y 5.33
trailing P/E 24.2 forward P/E 18.57
LTR (gdp) 5,70 5.70
LTR (e/p) 6,30 7.58
g Graham 7.75 5,03
Stock Y% 4,13 5.38
Using trailing or forward P/E
You may be taking on a little risk in stocks
today. Probably slightly less than 50% in
stocks is better allocation
If you are used to using forward P/E, then increase the value of 20%, because it is always historically overvalued 20
Value Investing process on bonds
Also here there are a huge number of bond type, but we identify only some bonds where the value is reliable and easily calculable by you. So we accept only plain vanilla bonds
Government Bonds
Corporate Bonds
Since the main emphasis must be placed on avoidance of loss, bond selection is primarily a negative art. It is a process of exclusion and rejection, rather than of search and acceptance. In first we get only investment grade bond (minimum BBB rate), only in exceptional situation we could invest also into speculative grade bonds.
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Bond allocation
• Investor should never have less than 50% or more than 95% in government bonds in relation with previous bond-stock allocation
• so inverse range between 50% and 5% of corporate bond
• reduce corporate bond below 50% to 5%, if exist very few corporate bonds that match with criteria
• increase corporate bond upper 5% to 50%, if exist many corporate bonds that match with criteria
So some criteria of value investing process on corporate bond is most import task of bond allocation.
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Value Investing process on corporate bond
There four principles for the
selection of corporate bonds
I. Safety is measured not by
specific lien or other contractual
rights, but by the ability of the
issuer to meet all of its
obligations. Senior Liens Are
to Be Favored, Unless Junior
Obligations Offer a Substantial
Advantage
II. This ability should be
measured under conditions of
depression rather than
prosperity.
III. Deficient safety cannot be
compensated for by an
abnormally high coupon rate.
Risks of losing principal should
not be offset merely by a high
coupon rate
IV. The selection of all bonds for
investment should be subject to
rules of exclusion and to
specific quantitative tests
corresponding to those
prescribed by statute or sound
rules. Typically investment
grade bond
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Value Investing process on corporate bond
• Bond market in depression mood, least down 10%
• Yield to maturity compare AA government bond > 1.5%
or great two third than AA government bond.
Least a 30% of safety margin
Next step “Valuation Criteria”
Environment criteria
No extrapolation
No forecast
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Value Investing process on corporate bond
Valuation criteria
No extrapolation
No forecast
Size of Enterprise and rating
•Revenue > 500m
•Public utility, asset > 1B
•Investment grade bond great
than BBB rate
Utility Industrial
Interest coverage > 2 Interest coverage > 3
Stock value ratio > 0.5 Stock value ratio > 1
Interest coverage = EBIT / Interest Expense
Stock value ratio = Market Cap / Bond long term debt
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Value Investing on stocks ETF
ETF is really a disruptive instrument in the financial sector
ETFs are a true democratization of investment management and
capabilities. Now there is availability of once-exclusive investing techniques
to a wider range of investors. ETFs today represent a vibrant and diverse
array of investment strategies.
We can apply the same previous process of value investing on stocks
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Value Investing on stocks ETF
Since we would like to use the same process, we need independent and trusted data on the
same parameters (p/e, book value, dividend, …)
So far, only Morningstar into free area provides trusted and accurate data on ETF. The Value
Investing process on stocks ETF is to identify ETF whose value as a business is reliably
calculable by you. So we choose only between country ETF and sector ETF with simple
strategy, the new generation like smart, beta, high/super strategy, leveraged are not eligible
because they are too complex.
Price/Prospective Earnings*
Price/Book*
Dividend Yield %*
Long-Term Earnings %*
Historical Earnings %
Book-Value Growth %*
* Forward-looking based on historical data. Since the economist’s
address is always highly optimistic. They predict that corporate profits,
one of the major factors driving stock prices, will increase at double-digit
annual rates for at least the next three years. So we should increase
p/e, dividend yield and price/book at least 20%
and decrease at least 20% the other ones
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Value Investing process on stocks ETF
Environment criteria
No extrapolation
No forecast
Environment criteria remain the same of value investing on stock,
like stock market in depression mood, cheap p/e market, …..
In EFT sector we have also the criteria normally ignored and
unfashionable
Valuation criteria
No extrapolation
No forecast
• price book < 2
• p/e < 15
• however price book * p/e < 25
• Dividend yield great than 1%
Long-Term Earnings % > 0
Historical Earnings % > 5%
However earning stability over the time
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Value Investing process on stocks ETF
• Strong financial condition for all selected stocks
• Debt / Equity < 1
• Current ratio > 2
• in public utility
Debt < 2 * book value
Next step “Competitive Advantage”
Valuation criteria
No extrapolation
No forecast
We do not have direct financial parameters, so we have to
compute them. We get the first ten stocks ranked by weight
inside the Etf and figure out debt/equity and current ratio for
each of them.
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Value Investing process on stocks ETF
Earning Power Value
• Epv:= earning x 1/cost of capital
Compare Asset Value
and Earning Power
Epv < Book value Value Lost to Poor
Epv = Book value Free Entry
Epv > Book value Consequence of Comp.
Advantage
Country Etf
Epv > book value * 1
Sector Etf
Epv > book value * 1,5
Competitive Advantage
Extrapolation
We divide Etf in two groups, country Etf
and sector Etf. The competitive advantage
is more meaningful in etf sector.
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Value Disinvesting on stocks and
ETF stocks
When you have to say farewell to someone of your securities in
your portfolio (selling time)
In previous slide we have explained the criteria to get a good
value securities
However over the time, they can lack the label of value. Right
now we identify the criteria to exclude them from your portfolio.
When & Why
Every six month you have to check your securities portfolio
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Value Disinvesting on stocks and
ETF stocks Valuation criteria
No extrapolation
No forecast
There are two different situation, however is enough that at least
one criteria is true to trigger the selling action
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Stock
too expensive
Price book > 3
p/e > 25
pb * p/e > 50
Stock
Quality is reducing
Debt / Equity > 1.5
Current ratio < 1
Utilities sector
Debt > 3 * book value
Dividend cancelled for two years
Reduced competitive advantage
Epv < book value There is not a trigger criteria on environment
Value Investor
Because value investing works
Value investing process on stocks
Bond-Stock allocation in value investing
Value investing process on corporate and government bond
Value investing process on stocks Etf
Value investing process on bond Etf
Workout on real stocks, bonds and Etfs
Conclusion
Comment
Next future slides
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Value Investing on stocks
But if Value Investing is so easy, why isn’t everyone a value investor ?
Value stocks don’t tend to have big payoffs. Their success is incremental;
they are not a lottery tickets, so they do not promise a immediate wealth.
Sometimes the price stays low also for long time and to wait for long time
up to fair value
Stocks that are cheap are ugly stocks, with boring stories. People sell
them and buy expensive success story
People are over-confident, we think a growth stock will continue to grow
and a value ugly stock will only continue to go down.
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Comment on competitive advantage
There is a competitive advantage if a company has some aspects like meaningful
management performance, product differentiation, customer captive, cheap cost, patent, …
However the “Sustainability” of it over the time depends on continuing protection barriers-to-
entry that create value.
Can I calculate if there is a real competitive advantage ?
Book Value (definition)
is in theory, what would be left over for shareholders if a company shut down its operations, paid off all its creditors, collected from all its debtors, and liquidated itself. It refers to the amount of net assets belonging to the owners of a business based on the balance sheet values.
Yield% of book value [YBV] = (earning / book value) * 100
If YBV is great than A 10y bond + 3% (cost of capital) then there is a real competitive advantage, otherwise should be better to precede to shut down the company and to invest the liquidated cash in bond market (less risk). A “great YBV” should be over the time at least 5/7 years
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Comment on competitive advantage
If the competitive advantage is verified over the time then we should wonder
is there a strategic position ?
what and where is the moat ?
where are the competitors if YBV is more then 3 times of cost of capital ?
why do customer pay more my products
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Is Value Investing the “Holy Grail” of finance investing ?
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