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Philippine Dental Association

HOUSE OF DELEGATES MINUTES OF THE MEETING

SECOND PLENARY SESSION

September 28, 2012

Waterfront Hotel & Casino

Lahug, Cebu City

DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Good morning! Did you have a great time last night? So you have a lot of energy for today. Please settle down! We will start in 2 minutes, we are just waiting for the Technicals for their go signal. By the way, Happy Birthday to Dr. Cheryl del Rosario! Dr. Che we will just send the bill to you. It is 9:13 in the morning, September 28, the Chair now calls for the resumption of the Session. Before we went to recess yesterday or rather last night, we have just accepted the Treasurer’s Report. We will now resume by calling for a motion for the approval of the Treasurer’s Report. May we request the PDA Officer, Dr. Iraida to please come forward? DR. MARIA ARLISSA AGUILUZ (HOD Past Speaker/OD Bulacan Chapter): Point of order. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): What is your point of order, delegate from Bulacan? DR. MARIA ARLISSA AGUILUZ (HOD Past Speaker/OD Bulacan Chapter): Madam Speaker, we are going to the period of discussion are we not? We ended yesterday’s Session by reiterating it went into acceptance and then after acceptance will come discussion, so that you assured us by accepting the report of the Treasurer that she will now be ready for interpolation and further questioning, Madam Speaker. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Thank you, Madam Delegate from Bulacan! First, the Chair will have to call for a motion for the approval and then we will go to the period of discussion, amendment or objection if there is any. So the Chair now solicits for a motion? Yes, Women Dentist? DR. MA. BUENSUCESO GIMENA (OD WDAP): Good morning, House of Delegates! DR. ARIEL GO (OD Kalookan Chapter): Madam Chair, I move for a 1 minute recess for the technical. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): It’s now ok.

Minutes of the Meeting PDA-HOD Midyear (2nd Plenary Session) Waterfront Hotel & Casino, Lahug, Cebu City

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DR. MA. BUENSUCESO GIMENA (OD WDAP): Good morning House of Delegates Mid-year Session 2012. I would just like to clarify because I know regarding this Treasurer’s Report there were 4. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): May I interrupt you? The Chair is still calling for a motion bago tayo makapag -discuss. I am soliciting for a motion for the approval, saka po tayo magdiscussion after the motion. DR. MA. BUENSUCESO GIMENA (OD WDAP): I move for the approval of the Treasurer’s Report. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Ok, there’s a motion for the approval of the Treasurer’s Report, is there a second to the motion? Seconded by Kalookan, Olongapo, Zambales, La Union, Nueva Ecija, Marikina, San Juan, Valenzuela, Romblon, Batangas, Albay, San Pablo, Novaliches, Phil. Women, PAED, DEDA, Iloilo, Fil-Chi, Las Pinas, Makati, Manila, Cebu, Ozamis, South Cotabato, Antique, Capiz, Leyte, Pasig-Pateros, Eastern Samar, Bukidnon, Cotabato City, Mandaue, Zamboanga del Norte, Zamboanga City, Sulu, Davao City, Davao del Sur, Surigao del Norte, North Davao, Sultan Kudarat and Misamis Occidental. Now we go to the period of discussion. Yes, delegate please identify yourself! DR. MARIA BUENSUCESO GIMENA (OD WDAP): Good morning, Philippine Dental Association, House of Delegates Mid-year Session 2012! Upon discussion of the Treasurer’s Report, I would like to clarify that within this year there were 4 checks, the first one is dated January 2012, the second, third and fourth checks is May 2012 ng pinasok this year, so may I request the Cashier of the Philippine Dental Association to verify if these checks ay pumasok na ngayon sa PDA sa term ni Pres. Dr. Arturo de Leon. That’s all! DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): May I restate the question? You are stating that there are 4 checks namely one dated January 2012, and 3 checks dated May 2012. These checks are for what and by whom? Were these checks signed? DR. MA. BUENSUCESO GIMENA (OD WDAP): Hindi ko masyadong alam, pero ang alam ko may pumasok na apat na checks that is why I am calling the attention of the Cashier. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Treasurer, ok, Madam Treasurer, can you please enlighten our delegate from Women Dentist regarding her question?



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DR. IRAIDA DE LEON (PDA Treasurer): Ma’am kung ang check po is 2012, so hindi po kasama sa report ko yon. Kasi kung transaction po ni Dr. Turing De Leon, I will report it po on the next session pa. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): The report of the Treasurer that is being deliberated on the floor po, is for the last quarter of the term of Dr. Tajonera. Can you be more specific because we are in the period of discussing the Treasurer’s Report for the last quarter of last year. So, does that answer your query Madam Delegate? DR. MA. BUENSUCESO GIMENA (OD WDAP): Earlier I just want to verify if these 4 checks are already in the Cashier’s office for the next Treasurer’s Report. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Madam Delegate, can you please be more specific what particular checks you are talking about? Kasi po, if that involves the last quarter report, we are in the process of deliberating on the last quarter report po of last year, October, November, December. So, can you be more specific about what checks you are referring to? Yes, delegate from Bulacan? DR. MARIA ARLISSA AGUILUZ (HOD Past Speaker/OD Bulacan Chapter): Madam Speaker, may I ask the Treasurer for some clarification? May I ask Madam Speaker? DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Yes, if that is related to the Treasurer’s Report, yes please proceed! DR. MARIA ARLISSA AGUILUZ (HOD Past Speaker/OD Bulacan Chapter): Yes, Madam Speaker, thank you! This is really related to the Treasurer’s Report. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Please proceed! DR. MARIA ARLISSA AGUILUZ (HOD Past Speaker/OD Bulacan Chapter): Good morning po! Yung inyong nakasaad diyan sa page 5 correct me if I am wrong Madam Treasurer, yung huling column po noon, iyon po ba yung mga kakulangan sa pagliquidate ng mga taong nakasaad diyan? Tama po ba ako? Yung huling column po sa page 5. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Please open your Treasurer’s Report on page 5! DR. MARIA ARLISSA AGUILUZ (HOD Past Speaker/OD Bulacan Chapter): Iyon ho ba yung kulang pang -iliquidate as of December 31?



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DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Please answer! DR. IRAIDA DE LEON (PDA Treasurer): Yes, Madam! DR. MARIA ARLISSA AGUILUZ (HOD Past Speaker/OD Bulacan Chapter): Ma’am may I continue? DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Go ahead! DR. MARIA ARLISSA AGUILUZ (HOD Past Speaker/OD Bulacan Chapter): As for the present, Madam Treasurer to your best knowledge, nakaliquidate naman po lahat? DR. IRAIDA DE LEON (PDA Treasurer): Opo, except for Dr. Gil Octaviano may partial liquidation na po siya, so P40,000.00 na lang po. And namention ko po yesterday yung kay Dr. Jonathan Acosta na P83,500.00 hindi pa po siya nagliliquidate kasi po that is for the printing of the special ID for the Past President and the Life Member po, so ongoing pa po yan kaya hindi pa niya nali- liquidate ito, ginagawa pa po yung ID. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Does that answer your query Madam? DR. MARIA ARLISSA AGUILUZ (HOD Past Speaker/OD Bulacan Chapter): Yes, and I would like to follow that up with a related statement to the Madam Treasurer. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Please go ahead! DR. MARIA ARLISSA AGUILUZ (HOD Past Speaker/OD Bulacan Chapter): I heard clearly na mayroon pong cheque na napirmahan pagkalampas na po ng lehitimong termino noong ating immediate Past President, so mayroon pa po bang ibang cheque aside from that one check, mayroon pa po bang ibang cheque na napirmahan ninyo on behalf of, or for, or by the immediate Past President na lampas na po ng December 31, 2011, mayroon pa po? DR. IRAIDA DE LEON (PDA Treasurer): Wala po!



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DR. MARIA ARLISSA AGUILUZ (HOD Past Speaker/OD Bulacan Chapter): Wala po iisang cheque lang po yon? DR. IRAIDA DE LEON (PDA Treasurer): Opo! DR. MARIA ARLISSA AGUILUZ (HOD Past Speaker/OD Bulacan Chapter): Yes Madam, thank you po! DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Ok, thank you! Yes General Dentistry, next Antipolo? DR. MELINDA GONZALEZ (OD PAGD): Good morning! May inquiry po akong 2 points. Ang first inquiry ko is, ang concern ko is, our dollar account. Nakita ko sa Treasurer’s Report ang dollar account natin mayroong conversion ever since na my report na ganoon. Nagtataka lang ako kasi ang dollar natin ang alam natin lahat nag -iincrease, nagbababa. Kasi sa aming mga reports yung aming business, lahat, yung ginagawa ng aming accountant kung pupwede ding tanungin ang accountant natin, ang dollar as ease yan irereport natin may gross minus expenses, net. Ang dollar nirereport lang sa dulo nagkakaroon lang ng conversion pag -ginagamit lang ang dollar sa prevailing rate pero for every report kailangan kung let us say mayroon tayong $5,000.00, nakareport yan $5,000.00, kung nagreport ka na may ginastos tayong $300.00 imi -minus mo lang yan sa $5,000.00 then convert the $300.00 to peso and then yung remaining ang $4,700.00 and then report it doon sa net, kasama parati, I don’t know hindi dapat kinokonvert ng kinokonvert. Ang explanation nila kaya kinokonvert para lumabas sa income ng incoming president. Dollar itself is income na yan ng President, hindi maiiba yon pero pagkinonvert mo what happens kung bumaba? So magkakaroon ka na lang ng another explanation sa susunod na report mo para mawalan tayo ng ganoon problem at ang thinking ng lahat ng nakakakita sa ating Treasurer’s Report ang dollar as ease pag -ginamit minus conversion and then report ulit kung magkano ang dollar. I think puwedeng tanungin yon sa accountant dahil pinaka -klaro puwedeng gawin yon kasi nakakalito yung convert ka ng convert. Ang second point ko pong ii-inquire yung ating mga bank accounstaccounts na nakadeposit, based on our personal experience yung mga banko na biglang nagsasara, malaking banko o maliit na banko. Ang concern ko lang, dapat ituro din sa amin yon. Dapat may kakilala ka sa banko parati na makakapagsabi sa iyo kung tagilid ang banko o hindi kasi ang PDA money is hard earned money yan na tinatabi natin. So halimbawa nagsara ang banko at ang pera natin ang laki doon, isa ka doon sa pipila kaya ang kailangan, yung banko matatag at saka may kakilala ka hindi pupwedeng ordinaring taga deposit ka lang. Kailangan may makakapagsabi sa yo. Iyon lang ang concern ko to protect yung interest natin. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Salamat po, delegate from General Dentistry! May we request our bookkeeper, Ms. Marilyn to enlighten the House on the query of the delegate?



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MS. MARILYN ANG (PDA Accountant): Good morning po! Thank you, Doc doon sa question mo/ suggestion mo mas maganda nga po yon kasi actually Doc, ang dollar account natin every term nag-oopen po ng account ng dollar in peso, ang nangyayari po kasi like doon sa report ko napansin ninyo na may tatlong bank account na dollar savings. Actually po last Board Meeting sinagest ito na to close and to put into one account kasi nga Doc like kung ano yung current administration ang ginagamit yung account na inopen during that term, so hindi pa ho nako-close yung naconsolidate, so napag-agreehan nga po last Board Meeting to close it and put into one account. So mas maganda nga yon Doc na kung sa general funds yon at may expenses to dollars ideduct ko kasi siyempre Doc, pagbumaba yung prevailing rate, current, hindi naman po pupwedeng ireport na ito 43 na, ikukwestyon naman kami kung bakit 43 pa eh ang prevailing rate kaya nagkakaroon kami ng adjustments ng foreign exchange rate sa baba. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Yes, Delegate from General Dentistry? DR. MELINDA GONZALEZ (OD PAGD): Yung consolidation ok yun, I am not after the consolidation, tama yun kaya lang Madam Speaker, ang concern ko ire-repeat ko yung reporting, the manner of reporting parang magandang hindi kino-convert kasi yung sinasabi kong point, yung ginastos lang na dollar yon lang ang ikonvert para yung proseso na irereport mo mawala yon. Iyon ang problema pag-kinonvert mo na at nagkaroon dito ng another conversion dahil explanation yung dollar mo o yung 43 ganoon para mawala yon, yung reporting ang gawing tama at ang dollar as ease para isang tingin alam mo na iyon lang ang ginastos, wala ng conversion ke tumaas o hindi. Thank you very much! DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Salamat po! Delegate from General Dentistry. Antipolo? DR. ENRICO DOLATRE (OD Antipolo Chapter): This is just a point of suggestion to the Treasurer as well as some points of information. The safeguard for money especially these are savings coming from various years, coming from various Past Presidents, I suggest to the Treasurer that you limit your deposit to the top 3 or top 5 banks. Do not be lured by higher interest given by banks which are not even on the top 10 medyo delikado ang panahon ngayon. Remember Banco Pilipino is number 1, so nasan na ang Banco Pilipino lumubog din tayo. Now in terms of consolidation, it would be much better if it is within PDIC insured, meaning to say PDIC in case the bank closes it would take you 90 days or more before your money will be given back to you. Now PDIC will also pay you if you have deposits at different branches of the same bank, meaning to say if you have P500,000.00 here in Cebu BPI and you have P500,000.00 in BPI Manila you get paid by PDIC. Now PDIC will also pay you if you have different bank products, meaning to say P500,000.00 time deposit, P500,000.00 for savings and P500,000.00 for checks, so medyo siguraduhin natin na we are utilizing the MayBank. MayBank, I don’t think it is on the top 10 of the banks. That is all Madam Speaker.



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DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Salamat po, delegate from Antipolo City! Regional coordinator muna and then I will recognize Ilocos Norte. DR. EFREN VENUS (PDA Region 11 Coordinator): Maayong buntag Madam Speaker! DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Maayong buntag! DR. EFREN VENUS (PDA Region 11 Coordinator): Can I ask the Treasurer to answer my query? DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Please state your query first and then address to the Chair. DR. EFREN VENUS (PDA Region 11 Coordinator): Ok, Madam Speaker, I would just like to ask if sa page 1 po, Beginning balance, tanong ko lang po is this P1,060,969.22, is this the amount coming from the previous administration or ito yung amount na na-earn? Is this an effort po ng incoming administration? DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Madam Treasurer, can you respond to that query? DR. IRAIDA DE LEON (PDA Treasurer): Is it the P1 million, you are asking? DR. EFREN VENUS (PDA Region 11 Coordinator): Yes, sa page 1 po! DR. IRAIDA DE LEON (PDA Treasurer): P1,068,000.00? DR. EFREN VENUS (PDA Region 11 Coordinator): Yes po! DR. IRAIDA DE LEON (PDA Treasurer): That is the beginning balance, ito po yung naiwan ng past.



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DR. EFREN VENUS (PDA Region 11 Coordinator): Previous administration, ok. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Do you still have a second question? DR. EFREN VENUS (PDA Region 11 Coordinator): Yes po! Na mention po kahapon na mayroon pang amount na naibayad na galing sa past administration, tanong ko lang po yung amount na yun, yung amount na binayad is doon kinuha sa P808,000.00 as your ending balance? DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Can you restate your question Dr. Venus? DR. EFREN VENUS (PDA Region 11 Coordinator): Yes, Madam Speaker! Kasi na mention kahapon Madam Speaker na nagbayad pa po ang past administration, nag -issue pa sila ng check ng 2012, dito sa report po, by December 2011 naclose na po. Ang tanong ko lang po ay yun po bang binayad ay dito kinuha sa P808,000.00 na ending balance ng December 2011? DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Ah ok, are you referring to the cheque that was discussed yesterday? Ok, Madam Treasurer please respond! DR. IRAIDA DE LEON (PDA Treasurer): Yes, delegate from Regional Coordinator? DR. EFREN VENUS (PDA Region 11 Coordinator): Davao po. So, can I have one follow up question Madam? DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): One more question and then we proceed with another delegate. DR. EFREN VENUS (PDA Region 11 Coordinator): Thank you, Madam Speaker! Hindi po ba ruling ng bangko na pagnag-end na po yung term natin by December 2011 and then nag-issue pa po tayo ng cheque na hindi na ho tayo ang signatory tatanggapin pa po ba ng banko yun, as you mentioned na nag -issue pa po tayo ng payables for 2012? DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Can you please respond to that Madam Treasurer?



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DR. IRAIDA DE LEON (PDA Treasurer): Kasi po, like yung bangko, binigyan po tayo ng 6 months kasi di ba before ma-stale yung check pag -inissue natin, kunwari inissue natin ngayon yung check di ba may 6 months pa po sa bank para ma-withdraw o madeposit iyon, may allowance po tayo sa bank so parang ganoon po yung nangyari dun na puwede pa pong ipasok yon, kasi hindi pa po naka -close yung account na yun. Kasi, like kailangan pong hintayin pong pumasok lahat ng check bago ma-close yung account. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Ok, does that answer your query Regional Coordinator? DR. EFREN VENUS (PDA Region 11 Coordinator): Yes, Madam! Madam another item po from her report, can I, isa pa po? DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Ok, last one and then we go to delegate from Ilocos Norte. DR. EFREN VENUS (PDA Region 11 Coordinator): Thank you, Madam Chair! Ma’am regarding po sa liquidation on page 5, isn’t it a practice po na dapat po at the end of a term liquidated na po tayong lahat? Bakit po by December 31 mayroon pang unliquidated? Sino po ba ang may power over this person na kailangan before mag-end ang term liquidated na po tayo dapat? DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Yes, Regional coordinator Venus it was earlier answered by our Treasurer that some of the un-liquidated expenses are still on-going activities of the person involved with un-liquidated cash advances. So I would just like to ask the Treasurer when the deadline of liquidation of the previous administration is. I think kasi, if you say that there had been a turnover, does that mean that this un-liquidated cash advances has been turned over to the incumbent administration and has there been any effort to require our personalities with un-liquidated cash advances hanggang kailan po yung deadline ng pagsubmit nila ng liquidations report nila? Yes, the Parliamentarian would like to ask a question? DR. LUIS UY (HOD Parliamentarian): Pasensiya na kayo magkaharapan kami ni Speaker. Madam Speaker, since I will address this question to you. Tanong ko lang sa inyo Treasurer and our bookkeeper, is it a usual practice for a President to sign check beyond his term? Is it the usual practice because I understand there was some check, ah ok, para kaming nagsing- along ni Doktora. Is it usual practice for a Past President to issue checks beyond his term because I understand that once it is turned over, all the documents should be turned over and that includes the payables, receivables, as I have said yesterday and if there was a check being issued, who funded this check? Saan ninyo kinuha itong pera since it was already turned over? Paano po ang reporting dito and I do not know Madam Speaker, if that delegate a while ago talked about 4 checks issued, I don’t know if she is referring that these checks were issued beyond the term of the President. I do not know if that is the question being asked. Kasi si doktora hindi naging specific, cheque, cheque lang, so can you answer?



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DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Yes, is the question directed to our bookkeeper of the Treasurer? Ok, Madam Treasurer, will you please answer first! DR. IRAIDA DE LEON (PDA Treasurer): Madam Speaker, yung issue na po ito was discussed during one of our Board Meetings and then naexplain na po ni Ms. Marilyn, if it’s ok po may I call on Ms. Marilyn to explain her side? Nasa minutes naman po yan ng Board Meeting naming kung pano niya inexplain yung nangyari na yon. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): May we request Ms. Marilyn Ang to enlighten the House? MS. MARILYN ANG (PDA Accountant): To enlighten po regarding the cheques issued beyond the term of Dr. Tajonera, during po ng mga previous years I joined PDA since the start of Dr. Leo and my usual practice ho kasi outside PDA basta regarding expenses for that year, it was recorded that year and ito pong apat na transaction na ito were expenses during the term of Dr. Tajonera since it was expenses to be recorded under Dr. Tajonera’s term. Nagkataon ho doon sa expenses, especially the professional fee of the external Auditor, it was talagang 2011 hindi lang po agad nagawan ito ng cheque kasi that time maraming nagbusy na sa convention, and then noon nagfo-follow up na po yung Auditor. So prinoses ko na po yung mga cheques na yon since we had transition period. So, noon naging issue na po ito sa Board, I apologized kasi iyon naman po yung usual practice na ginawa ko, alam po iyan ng mga Treasurer na pag-expenses ng previous, kasi transition period po naman ang ginawa ko and they accepted naman po, so wala naman po since I joined the PDA wala naman pong nagsabi sa akin na basta nagclose, kasi ang PDA account po kasi pagka, kunyari po term ni Dr. Turing may account na ginagamit for that specific term, so iyon pong term ni Dr. Tajonera nga hindi pa nako-close and since transition period po and expenses naman ito para to clear talagang yun ay expenses hindi na masa-sama doon sa term ni Dr. Turing. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Ok, does that answer your question? DR. LUIS UY (HOD Parliamentarian): Ok, Madam Speaker, ngayon palang sasabihin ko na po sa bookkeeper natin na bawal po yon na sinasabi mo na walang nagsabi sa iyo, so ngayon palang sasabihin ko na bawal po yung ganoon. And then yung sinasabi mo kanina, hindi mo nasagot, is it the usual practice? MS. MARILYN ANG (PDA Accountant): No, doc! DR. LUIS UY (HOD Parliamentarian): Madam Speaker, it is very clearly said that it is no, so why still issue some cheques? During my time mayroon po akong late, late itong for liquidation and when I turned this over to our



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Treasurer at that time Dr. Ayllon it was no longer honoured. Sabi ni doktora, “Dok, pasensiya na po kayo pero yung term natin ends on May 31st hindi na po tayo puwedeng mag-issue, everything, so ang nangyari po doon since it is no longer us who can issue cheque and everything, I just asked the incoming President at that time which is Dr. Donesa to please issue a check refund to this but again it did not materialized I have to pay for that refund, personal ko pong pera iyon para wala ng masabi. So, I hope with this kind of practice doktora pagnag-end, end na ask the incoming President to issue all checks so we can have a proper recording, wala na pong pagdududa-duda, kaya nga po balik kanina Madam Speaker, who funded those 4 checks? Ibig sabihin ba kinukuha pa din doon sa funds that was being turned over? Kasi sabi po ng Treasurer kahapon, it was all, money was turned over to the new administration, but then unknowingly there were 4 checks issued by the previous administration wherein which the signatory is the Past President. So who funded these checks? Is there a separate account intended for this purpose? I am just asking. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Ok, thank you very much! I recognized earlier the delegate from Ilocos Norte, Madam Delegate DR. FRANCISCA CALUYA (OD Ilocos Norte Chapter): Madam Speaker, debate is a matter of pride, however, this is not the issue, ----- (nagloko ang mike). At this point, I would like to terminate this discussion …(nagloloko mike) DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Can you please provide another microphone? Madam Delegate from Ilocos Norte can you please restate your position. DR. FRANCISCA CALUYA (OD Ilocos Norte Chapter): Madam Speaker, debate is a matter of pride; however it is not absolute because we are guided by rules and regulations of this body. At this point I am now going to move for the termination of the discussion and I move for the amendment portion. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): There was a motion Presented by Ilocos Norte to terminate the discussion and we move on to the period of amendment. Ok duly seconded by Kalookan, Ilocos Norte, Antipolo, Mandaluyong, Private School Dentist, Masbate, Catanduanes, Oriental Mindoro, Pampanga, La Union, Marikina, Rizal, Zambales, Malabon-Navotas, PNP, Quezon City, San Juan, Kalinga, Batangas, Romblon, Palawan, Quezon Province, Camarines Sur, Lipa, Philippine Women, PSO, General Dentistry, Iloilo, Dipolog, Gensan, so on and so forth. Are there any amendments? Any objection? Yes, delegate from Bulacan, what is your point of inquiry? DR. MARIA ARLISSA AGUILUZ (HOD Past Speaker/OD Bulacan Chapter): Paki linaw lang po sa amin kung ang ibig sabihin ng amendment sa Treasurer’s Report eh Treasurer’s Report po yan Madam. Ano po ang poder naming na mag-amend noong kanyang Treasurer’s Report? Kung maaari ko hong imungkahi pu-pwede po ba huwag na muna nating i-approve ulit? At i-recall naman natin ang ating Tresurera sa annual natin, kasi what is there to amend?



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DR. DIAMPO LIM (PDA Past President/HOD Past Speaker): Madam Speaker, was it done this May or before the turnover? DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Madam Treasurer, please enlighten the body when was this turn over done and answer the query when was the check signed? DR. IRAIDA DE LEON (PDA Treasurer): The turnover was on January and issuance was on February. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Does that answer your query Past Speaker Dr. Diampo Lim? DR. DIAMPO LIM (PDA Past President/HOD Past Speaker): Yes, Thank you! In connection with that may I proceed Madam Speaker? DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Yes, Dr. Lim! DR. DIAMPO LIM (PDA Past President/HOD Past Speaker): Ladies and gentlemen of this body, I have been a President of this prestigious organization of this group of dentistry and the moment we have turned everything to the incoming President, whatever obligation that has been passed before it should be incumbent President now who shall be the signatory that is the one that I would like to share. Thank you, Madam Speaker! DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Thank you very much, Dr. Lim! Is that an objection or a privilege motion? Point of inquiry. DR. MARIA ARLISSA AGUILUZ (OD Bulacan Chapter): Salamat po, Madam Speaker! Gusto ko lang pong malinawan kasi kanina po categorically I asked Madam Treasurer ilang cheque po iyon na pinirmahan past the term of IPP and she categorically answered to me and to everyone here on the floor iisa ang cheque? Ngayon she is saying yes na may tatlo pa palang cheque for a total of 4 checks, so Madam Speaker, ano ito? Gusto ko lang malaman ano ba ito? Ano ba itong nangyayari na ito? Wherein our Madam Treasurer is changing statements kaliwa, kanan shifting from one check and then with another inquiry to 4 checks. Ano ba ito? Baka talagang more than 4 checks pa yan? DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): May I require our Madam Treasurer to please answer the query of the delegate from Bulacan whether it is really one check or 4 cheques? Ilang checks po daw ang na issue from the past administration?



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DR. IRAIDA DE LEON (PDA Treasurer): Madam Speaker, it is 4 cheques po pala. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): 4 checks, ok. I recognize Agusan Norte. DR. EMILIANO YUMANG (HOD Past Speaker/OD Agusan del Norte): After lengthy deliberations, discussions, Madam Speaker, some of the issues have been repeating, repeating, repeating, therefore in my watch it is already 10:00 o’clock, I move to call for the previous question. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Ok, the delegate from Agusan Norte, made a motion to call for the previous question, therefore, the Chair calls for a division of the house, whether to approve or not to approve the Treasurer’s Report. May I require our officers to please go to your respective position to start counting? May I remind our delegates, those who have the right to vote CD and OD of the different Chapter, one vote for the Affiliate? So the Chair is calling for those who are in favor of approving the Treasurer’s Report? Please raise your ID with the yellow sticker, affiliates only one and then Chapters are entitled to 2 votes, CD and OD. List down the Chapters and the number of vote manifested. Those in favor, pagnag-raise kayo it means you are approving the Treasurer’s Report. DR. GIUSEPPE MARTIN TIANCO (OD Iligan City): Privilege motion Madam Chair? DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Yes, what is your question and privilege motion delegate from Iligan City? DR. GIUSEPPE MARTIN TIANCO (OD Iligan City): In behalf of those of us, of some of us here, who are not fully oriented with regards to the system of this august body, we would just like to know before voting, we would just like to know, what will happen to the report of the Treasurer, would that be reported next Mid-year or this coming Annual Convention before voting? Thank you! DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Ok, thank you delegate from Iligan City! If the Treasurer’s Report is not approved, then the Treasurer will be directed to report again during the Annual Session. Ibig sabihin noon dalawang report magagawa po, Report for the Administrative Year 2011 and for the 2012 Administration. Ok, is that clear? Madam is that a privilege question because we are in the period of votation. DR. CORAZON FLORES (PDA VP Luzon-South/OD Laguna Chapter): Madam Speaker, privilege motion for the Treasurer to finish the report. If we will summon her on the next session, this is a transition period, she will be reporting on how many



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months or how many Treasurers’s Report will that be, wala na tayong magagawa on the next session kung hindi Treasurer’s Report na lang tapusin na natin ngayon, is that possible, Madam Speaker? DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): There has been a motion to call for the previous question when such motion is made the house has to go into division and therefore, the House will have to determine whether to approve or disapprove. Ok, so we will now go into counting the votes, the Chair is calling for votes to approve the Treasurer’s Report. Please raise your ID with a yellow sticker, 2 for Chapter and 1 for Affiliates. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Madam Speaker Protemp. DR. JOAN CARBONELL (HOD Speaker Protempore/OD Muntinlupa Chapter): Please raise your ID again! Approve pa lang yung binibilang, yung not approved? Ok. Approve – 51. Those who are not in favour, please raise your ID again! DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Please settle down! Ok, the total number of accredited and present delegates yesterday was 209 and those who voted... where is the number in favor? So earlier it was announced that those in favor of approving the Treasurer’s Report is 51, those who are not in favor 121, and 5 abstentions, so we will now direct our Treasurer to report again during the Annual but to focus only on the issue regarding the checks. Kasi po if we go back again, yes? DR. LEO GERALD DE CASTRO (PDA Past President/HOD Past Speaker/CD PAID): Manifestation Madam Speaker. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Yes, Past Speaker Leo and OD from PAID DR. LEO GERALD DE CASTRO (PDA Past President/HOD Past Speaker/CD PAID): Yes, at this point in time hindi na natin mababago yung signatory noong check noh, so kung aantayin natin mabago yung signatory ng check therefore, hindi na talaga siya ma-approve, kasi napirmahan na yan e. So, I guess what we can tell the current Treasurer now and the Auditor and also the immediate Past President and our President is to issue check for this term paying the External Auditor and ask that External Auditor to return the payment that was done by the Past President and then adjust the Financial Statement of Dr. Tajonera putting it back to the Statement of Account and then simply deducted on the Statement of Account of Dr. Turing De Leon, that is basically other than that wala na tayong magagawa kasi napirmahan na yan eh.



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DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Thank you very much, delegate from PAID! I would like to yield first to our Past Speaker, Nena Nolido? DR. LIBERTAD NOLIDO (HOD Past Speaker): Thank you Madam Speaker! Just an insight, I would like to share with you. It is not only the Philippine Dental Association that has undergone this transgression when it comes to Financial Report. There are several organizations that are actually also been exposed to this. I don’t want to attribute ill -motif to the Treasurer of with the Past President. I believe that there are reasons sometimes they have to do this although this is an incorrect procedure because in the desire actually to clear the records before they pass it over to the next administration, sometimes they would do that, but it is not correct, and so I think it would be difficult for us to move on if we have to dwell on this because it is impossible for us to reconcile. And since we will be amending our Constitution, we will provide under the Article in the Finances perhaps Sec. 11 stating a Protocol on how to make a turnover, maybe we can have a cut off date wherein which we can turn over all the records and beyond that no other signatories or no other issuance of checks will be done for as long as we continue to dwell on this even in the next session of the House. I don’t believe that we will be able to resolve it. So, we have to move on and learn from this lesson and then since I said again that we will include it as one of the Protocol in amending our By-Laws under our financial system. Thank you! DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Thank you, Past Speaker Nolido! I will recognize the President- Elect and then the opinion of our Parliamentarian and we move on because po it is 10:00, we are 2 hours delayed in the clustering. DR. FERNANDO FERNANDEZ (PDA President-Elect): Thank you, Madam Speaker! I would like to concur with Past Speaker Dr. Nena Nolido that we should move on because next Annual Session I am going to present my budget and if we are going to dwell so much on this issue, I might not be able to finish my report. Ok, I just want to air my sentiments it was done in good faith. It’s a good thing that Past President Dr. Robert Tajonera left a substantial amount, ok. What if I would like to take the comment of our Parliamentarian, we all understood that after the turnover wala na pong chekeng pipirmahan and on that issue as I have said it was done in good faith and during one of our Board Meetings Ms. Marilyn Ang, our Book keeper apologized to the Board and we accepted her apologies, so I think we have to put a stop on this issue because it was done in good faith, mabuti na lang may naiwan, klarong, klaro may naiwan na pondo kaya nagawa yung pagkakamali na yon. Ok, what if walang naiwan? Like for example in my case yung sinasabi ni Dr. Luis Uy kapag may excess babayaran ko, itu-turnover sa akin babayaran ko, what if walang natira at may utang na P 5 million babayaran ko yung P 5 million, di ba? So, ang nakikita ko lang ho dito buti na lang may naiwan na pondo kaya nangyayari iyon. Iyon lang po Madam Speaker, thank you! DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Ok, I will yield to the Parliamentarian, and then the Chair will rule on what to do with the disapproved Treasurer’s Report.



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DR. LUIS UY (HOD Parliamentarian): Thank you, Madam Speaker! Ganito po yon, we just want to correct things na mali, yoon lang naman sa atin. Ngayon dalawang issue lang during the Annual Session we want to hear because hindi nasagot ng Treasurer kung ilan pong chekeng na issue? Iyon lang po, yung apat na cheque kung apat man yon kanino binayad, sinong signatory, saan kinuha yung pondong pinambayad doon? And that is if the Treasurer is going to report on that na napaliwanag lahat and that ends all the discussion. Iyan lang namang dalawang issue doon e hindi na natin puwedeng babaguhin mag-iissue ulit tayo ng cheque tapos yung pondo doon kukunin babalik, matatagalan po yung sistema kasi that is not what we want, we just want to be clarified on the 4 issues kung apat man yon baka mamaya lima, anim, pito, we just want to know ilang cheque iyon lang po, huwag na nating bawiin yung binayad and the Incumbent President will issue another check maguguluhan po tayo doon and then it will not be in good image natin na ano ba to bakit kinukuha ang cheque, ang gulu-gulo ninyo, so we just focus on that and hopefully the Treasurer can answer it properly and that is it. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Thank you very much! Our PDA President would like to manifest something and after that we move on to the next item po on our agenda. DR. ARTURO DE LEON (PDA President): Thank you very much, Madam Speaker! I think it is incumbent for me to say as it is being addressed to something passed on to the Executive Board. To narrate what really happened on this alleged issuance of 4 checks, what is material here is that, the transactions happened sometime on April and May 2012. The official receipts as reflected in the check vouchers were dated April and May 2012. Now, if we are going to ask ourselves why it was accepted by MayBank because the check was dated December 2011, I think it is very much important for us in aide of legislation that once you turnover your documents, no more issue on subject and no more ante-dating of checks. Now I need to tell you this one in aide of legislation. We accepted the apology of the comptroller and we are happy that these things are being set in their proper prospective, in a proper way, manner right now. I am not personally happy with what happened because I am the Incumbent and the Treasurer knows it and yet these things happened. I think we should learn from this situation but it is my duty to tell this one before the House because it is being referred to us something to discuss within the Executive Board. Thank you very much! DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Thank you very much, Dr. Turing! And that ends our discussion on the Treasurer’s Report. Perhaps that is something that you will now consider putting into our Constitution as we move on to the cluster, put safety nets for the guidance of the Executive Board and the General Membership on the day to day running of our association. Now we move on to the clustering and before we break up the group, we would like to call in the 3 cluster Chairs to give an overview so that when you go over your cluster you will already know what is expected of you. May I just remind you that the procedure is that, there are names listed already in the cluster that is for the purpose of dividing equally the delegates per cluster. However, everybody will get a chance to go to the 3 clusters after 2 hours, magro -rotate po tayo, so if you are in Cluster 1 after 2 hours you move on to Cluster 3 para pong carousel, Cluster 3 will go to Cluster 2 and Cluster 2 will go to Cluster 1 and there is the third cycle. Now we estimated that there will be 90 people per cluster, 2 hours



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is not enough for everybody to speak, the Cluster Chair will discuss to you the salient points in the cluster. There are so many points in the proposed amendment where it is just a matter of putting in order po yung assignment of numerals and letters, and number, but other than that there is no change in the content of those provisions. So only those provisions that are amended with one word or 2 sentences or 1 paragraph taken out and replaced iyon lang po. Let us not delay, let us not prolong the discussion in the clusters because the Technical Working Group per cluster have exhaustedly discussed and deliberated on the matter for the last 3 – 4 months. I hope we will also have the serious of openness. Sometimes our opinion is not necessarily the opinion of the majority; we are here to really get the opinion in a democratic way, so in order for everybody to have the opportunity to express their sentiments beta cards are provided in the different clusters with pentel pens. On the met cards you manifest your recommendations if there is time, the cluster Chair will discuss, remove repetition of the same recommendation or proposal and summarize the recommendation of that particular group. Then at the end of 2 hours, we move on, however, cluster delegates you are free to have your snacks in between and we will have a working lunch if we are going to meet our goal for the day. Ok po ba? So I would like to call our cluster Chairs, first headed by Dr. Arlissa on the Code of Ethics and Republic Act 9484, please make it short 5 minutes lang po, then we call the next cluster, Chair Dr. Diampo Lim, followed by Dean Vic Medina for the Standard of Care. So after that, we disperse po our Peace Officer will go around at the end of 2 hours magri ring ang bell that means proceed to your next cluster. Ok, Madam Chair Aguiluz? DR. MARIA ARLISSA AGUILUZ (HOD Past Speaker/OD Bulacan Chapter): Thank you po at magandang umaga po sa aking magiging kasama doon sa cluster! Puwede po sa Technicals paki flash lang po, so iyan po yung mga members. Ngayon po ang aking tinalagang bilang kahalili kasi anim na oras po yon no e si Dr. Cora Flores, so ang magiging kalagayan natin naghanda po ako ng power point na kung saan yung first column Existing RA Provisions, yung second column sa gitna yung nagpropose ng amendment kung meron kaya minsan blanko yon at yung pangatlo may justification or rationale. Hindi po tayo pupwedeng magpropose ng amendment na basta lang gusto ko kailangan po may matibay na justification ganoon lang po, so we go through all the provisions of RA 9484 huwag po tayong maghahanap na IRR kasi po ang IRR ay nagmumula sa RA palitan muna natin yung RA saka tayo next time mag -amend ng IRR, so sana po Madam Speaker maliwanag po yon. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Thank you very much, Technical Working Group Chair! May I acknowledge the presence of former Senator Joey Lina? Sir, please rise to be acknowledged! Former Sen. Lina po is very instrumental in guiding and enlightening the Technical Working Group especially on Republic Act 9484 and re -alignment of the Constitutions and By-laws. Yung mga trabaho po nila naverify na po iyan, may mga rationale on the third column makikita ninyo yan may basis po kung bakit ganoon po ang mga proposed amendments. So if you feel na hindi naman po kailangan ng lengthy discussion let us continue with the other proposed amendments. So ok, Dr. Diampo Lim would you like to speak or shall we call former Sen. Lina. Yes, Sir Attorney, can we please hear from you!



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SEN. JOEY LINA: Maayong buntag sa inyong tanan! Suki po ako ng PDA, ang filing po ng certificate of candidacy is on October 1 to 5 pero hindi po ako kandidato, so please disabuse your minds about that! I am just a friend of PDA and I already presented this study on RA 9484 last year to the Board of Trustees based on my discussion as well with Committee on Constitutions and By-laws headed by Dr. Diampo Lim. I am surrounded by dentists, my mother-in-law is a dentist, my sister-in-law is a dentist, my kumadres, kumpadres are dentists, so don’t be surprised why I have been very close to dentists. I have the distinction of having appointed a dentist to a health office of the Metro Manila Commission when I was the governor of Metro Manila Commission and General Manager of that government body. The RA 9484 cuts across all the subject matter covered in the clusters, so I think it will be a good backgrounder for all of the cluster discussions so that you will be able to contextualize (Conceptualize) the subject matter that is being discussed, everything is related to RA 9484. This law regulates the practice of dentistry, dental hygiene, and dental technology. The promulgation of the Code of Ethics and Code of Dental Practice is clearly referred to in RA 9484. The integration of the three participants in Dental Health Care is clearly called for under RA 9484, so when you discussed your Code of Ethics, Code of Dental Practice and the Integration your basis, must and necessarily be 9484 very briefly because of time constraint. The objectives of this law which was approved by congress on June 2, 2007 became effective 2 days after each publication in a newspaper of general circulation. So 2007 po and reckoning period nito, 5 years ago, more than 5 years ago. Ano yung objectives of the law? Just focus on the salient features of the law (1) The law provides for regulation, control and supervision of the practice of dentistry, dental hygiene, and dental technology in the Philippines. (2) Provides for the giving of licensure examination to graduates of recognized dental schools of dentistry, dental hygiene, and dental technology for the purpose of registration. (3) The law provides for the accreditation of the various specialties of dentistry. (4) The promotion and development of continuing dental education and research in the country. (5) The enforcement of the Code of Ethics and Code of Dental Practice in the Philippines and last (6) The stipulation of penalties for infractions or violations of this law for any other laws, rules and regulations authorized under the provisions of this act, Sec. 3 of RA 9484 provides for these objectives. So there is going to be an examination later so please remember Sec. 3 of the law. Sec. 4 of the law defines, what is a dentist? What is a dental hygienist, and what is a dental technologist? The law makes it very clear definition, distinction, and differentiation of these 3 entities. In fact, the definition of dentist is about 4 inches including all the provisions, the definition and scope of practice of technologist and hygienist mga 1 and a half inches lang, just to stress a point. Of course there is the Board of Dentistry under the Professional Regulation Commission. There is a controversy with regards to the term of the members of the Board of Dentistry because as pointed out by Dr. Diampo Lim, there was a time when 2 members of the Board chaired one year tig 6 months and that created a kind of distortion in the affairs of the Board. As far as the qualification for admission to the licensure examination, kasi lahat dentist, hygienist and technologist they must pass a certain licensure examination, but it is worth mentioning that the qualification for admission of the dentist differs by a wide margin from that of the dental technologist and dental hygienist magkaiba ang qualification for admission to the licensure examination. The scope of examination also varies magkaiba because talagang iba yung nature of the scope of work of the 3 participants of dental health care service. Another matter worth mentioning is that if the dentist fails, the licensure examination he cannot practice dentistry but the dental technologist and dental hygienist under Sec. 27 of the law even if they fail the examination they can still practice dental technology and dental



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hygiene through a system of equivalency. Sec. 27 says a person who possess equivalent qualification required for admission of examination for dental hygienist or dental technologist may be registered without examination provided that the applicant files to the Board within the years after the affectivity of this act, an application for registration and issuance of certificate of registration and professional identification card by submitting credentials showing that the applicant before the affectivity of the law ito po ang isusubmit natin. In short the dental hygienist or dental technologist can continue to practice even without passing the licensure examination provided they submit an application within 3 years upon effectivity of the law. Ano po yung isusubmit has been given a certificate dental hygiene, and dental technology and duly recognized college at least 3 years practice, so yung equivalency is basically based on practice. Has been practicing as hygienist or dental technologist for at least 5 years in a license laboratory or clinic. So iyon po ang worth mentioning that the law makes a clear differentiation of the 3 practitioners of dental health care. Worth mentioning as well, is Sec. 33, I think you should all know, the penal provisions that are provided for under RA 9484 para huwag po kayong magkamali at baka kayo ay vulnerable kung saan prosecutions ito po yung sinasabi ng batas. Penal provisions the following shall be punished for a fine of not less than P200,000.00 nor more than P500,000.00 or to summon imprisonment for a period of not less than 2 years and 1 day not more than 5 years or both in the discretion of the court marami pong hindi nakakaalam nito. (1) Any person who shall practice dentistry, dental hygiene or dental technology in the Philippines without Certificate of Registration and Professional Identification Card and special permit issued in accordance with the provisions of this law or has been declared exempt. (2) Any person who practice the profession to whom the definition of the practice of dentistry, dental hygiene or dental technology does not apply. (3) Any license dentist who shall abet the illegal practice of dentistry. (4) Any person presenting or using his oath or her own certificate of registration and professional identification card and special permit of another. (5) Any person who shall give any false or fraud evidence to the board in obtaining the certificate of registration and a person who shall impersonate registrant or brand name. (6) Any person who shall use and revoke or suspended certificate of registration and professional identification card. (7) Any person who shall assume use or advertise the bachelor of dental surgery and so on and so forth without having been convert such title. (8) Any person who advertises any title or description pending to convey the impression that he/she a dentist without holding valid certificate of registration and professional identification card and special permit from the board. Ladies and gentlemen, as I have been told several times that there are those who practice dentistry or technologist or hygienist without having the required registration or having passed the licensure examination. Now the most controversial part of the law is Sec. 30 which says integration of dentistry, dental hygienist or dental technologist, I will be very brief 5 minutes na lang and so you can go to your clusters. Sinasabi po dito sa Sec. 30 and this is also the same words in the implementing rules and regulations, Sec. 30 din ito sa IRR so sa law Sec. 30, sa IRR Sec. 30 rin. The same section says all registered dentist, dental hygienist or dental technologist shall be integrated into one national organization which shall be recognized by the Board and accredited by the Commission as the one and only accredited integrated association to which all dentists, dental hygienist and dental technologist shall belong. So pinagsama-sama ng batas ang dentists, dental hygienist and dental technologist into one national organization, sama-sama, while the law recognizes distinction or differentiation of the 3. The law at the same time says all of them must be together in one national organization and the word to integrate, replace integrate means to unify, to make as one whole all the parts



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and all the parts are the dentists, dental technologist and dental hygienist. The law is strict but all of them must be in one national organization. There is no other room for interpretation. Henceforth, all dentists, dental hygienist or dental technologist to be registered to the Board shall automatically become a member, notice the phrase, “shall automatically become a member of the accredited integrated professional organization upon payment of required fees and dues”. Iyon lang ang requirement upon payment of required fees and dues ay automatically member na, all that 3 into that national organization. And lastly membership in the accredited and integrated national organization of dentists, dental hygienist and dental technologist shall not be a bar to membership in other association of dentists, dental hygienist and dental technologist. Ladies and gentlemen the PDA in 2008 according to your history already attempted and did attempt to integrate the dentists, dental hygienist and dental technologist; your Constitutions and By-laws are replete with provisions integrated all of them. Question, if they are already integrated under the Constitutions and By-laws of the PDA then what else do we have to do, they are already integrated. Your Constitution and By-laws already specify that the dental hygienist and dental technologist is member of the PDA, so you did make a positive effort to implement that in Article 12, Sec. 1. It says, “ any member duly licensed to practice in the Philippines, who is a member of the PDA in good standing duly registered as such, a constituent Chapter through area of practice in accordance with the Code of Ethics of the Regulatory Code of Dentistry in the Philippines and your Constitutions and By-laws added (1) dentist, dental hygienist and dental technologist. There you are. You did attempt, but there are many provisions that are not clear like, what are the rights and privilege of the non-dentist? Your Constitutions and By-laws quite hazy in stating that. So there is room for improvement here and I did seat with the Committee of Dr. Diampo Lim on how to untangle all the conflicting provisions. In your Board of Trustees there is no mention of representatives coming from the National association of dental hygienist and dental technologist, however, in the provision of the House of Delegates, it says (H) The House of Delegates shall confirm appointments of the member of the Comelec and representatives of the dental hygienist and dental technologist to the Board of Trustees you see? Mayroon ng provision that the dental hygienist and dental technologist shall be represented in the Board of Trustees but in another section the Article of the Board of Trustees Article 13 you did not include. There is no mention of the representatives of the dental hygienist and dental technologist. So there is a need to clarify further so you will be in good compliance with the law, but recognizing that there is a distinction and differentiation of the 3 entities and therefore conferment of the same rights and privileges must be commensurate to the differentiation of the 3 and I think the committee was able to make some solomonic decision in form, in terms of the amendments, so that you comply with the law. Ladies and gentlemen, one last point. There are other s amendments that I think that has been pin-pointed or recommended by the Committee and I agree with them, but one last one. The physical therapists are not integrated with the doctors, medtech. Among lawyers, we have the Integrated Bar of the Philippines, but we are all lawyers, we all pass the licensure, the bar examination. We cannot integrate our assistants with us and the para legals with us. So, in my heart of hearts in fairness to all the entities so that each one can grow according to their nature of work, so called work, I think there is a need to further professionalizes the other profession. Let them grow on their own and let there be a federation of all these 3 but a federation but not one national organization because one way or the other there will be unfairness that will develop because you belong to different



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we now call on the first cluster? We now call this session back. The session is now back in order. May we request our first cluster to present the Standard of Care; this will be presented by Dean Vic Medina. Our Technical Committee are still preparing. I would like to make announcement that the Fellowship will be on the other room, Mediterranean Room behind the Arctic Room and we are scheduled to start at 7:00 o’clock, however, we will give priority to finishing this typical cluster presentation and also don’t forget when we adjourn please sign out at the registration area. You may keep your ID as souvenir and the Accreditation Committee will just scan your picture that was flashed yesterday for your IDs during the annual session. Tomorrow morning, the dancing inmates will be presenting at 9:30 a.m. The Transportation Committee has prepared vans that will carry those who signed up to watch the dancing inmates. This is a 30 minutes presentation and after which there will be another 30 minutes for the delegates to mingle with the inmates after which our transportation will immediately ferry us back here and for those who intend to take their flights from 12:30 and up you will have a chance to watch the dancing inmates because we estimated that you will be back here at 10:30 to 11:00 o’clock but it is important that you please sign up so that we will not fall short of transportation. Ready? Ok, ladies and gentlemen Dr. Vic Medina of the Cluster on Standard of Care. DR. VICENTE MEDINA III (Chairman, Standard of Care): Thank you, Madam Chair and good afternoon to everybody! It’s been a very long day so I will try to make my presentation short. Anyway, I would like to thank 2 clusters who took time out to join the discussion this morning, and this afternoon for all the inputs. Anyway, I will report to you what we did during the 2 clusters. So first of all, I presented to the group what exactly are expected from us? What are the expectations of the HOD with regards to the sub-cluster on Standard of Care Clinical Practice Guidelines? I explained to them that basically there are 2 things that we should consider. Should we come out with the Standard of Care or should we come up with the Clinical Practice Guidelines because these are 2 different things. And then I presented to them the process, the Clinical Practice Guidelines Development process that our group will be going through, so basically I asked for their comments and there was in agreement with what we are planning to do. So first of all, I presented to them and also to the third group the definition for Standards. As you can see from the screen it is defined by the ADA as allow me to read it, Standards are intended to be applied rigidly and carry the expectations that they be applied in all cases, and wala pa pala hindi pa pala nakaflash sa screen. Yan po again, Standards are intended to be applied rigidly and carry the expectations that they be applied in all cases. And then the revision from them would be difficult to justify. Standard of Care indicates that measurable criteria are present and these criteria should be used in order to arrive at a given level of outcome, so standard says what must be done by all, so this is quite rigid. It says there we must do this thing, so we should decide what do we really want to come out with? Do we want standards or are we ok with guidelines? Anyway, guidelines are intended to be more flexible than standards, guidelines should be followed in most cases but they recognize the treatment kind and should be tailored to individual needs depending on the patient, setting and other factors. Deviation from guidelines to be very common and could be justified by differences in its individual circumstances, so that is the definition for guidelines and this one is for parameters.



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the acceptance of the report of the Technical Working Group as presented. Yes, delegate from General Dentistry? DR. MELINDA GONZALEZ (OD PAGD): Good evening, Madam Speaker! I move for the acceptance of the guidelines in clinical practice as presented by Dean Medina. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Seconded Kaloocan, General Dentistry, Benguet, Bulacan, DHNAD, Private School Dentists, PAFJO, and majority. Discussion? Yes, we have exhaustedly discussed it all day long! Any amendment? Any objection? Hearing none the report of the Technical Working Group on Clinical Guidelines is hereby accepted. Thank you very much, Dr. Dean Vic Medina! May we now call on the Technical Working Group on Code of Ethics and Republic Act 9484 Chaired by Dr. Arlissa Aguiluz. Are you ready? So she is now ready for the presentation. In the meantime, 86 people have just signed up, these are just the delegates including the Org. Com. 86 delegates have signed up in joining us towards the dancing inmates. So our van will leave exactly at 8:30, loading time will be 8:00, the van will leave at 8:30, we approximate that there will be about 15 to 20 travel time and then there is another 20 to 30 minutes security check. We advise the delegates to please eat your breakfast early. Breakfast starts at 5:30 a.m. until 10:00 so soon after breakfast if your flight is leaving 12:30, 1:00 o’clock, please check out in advance before you leave. My suggestions please do not wear anything orange tomorrow you might blend it very well and they might not let you out. You are allowed to take pictures and videos, however, after the presentation which will last for about 30 minutes, we are allowed to mingle with them, so I suggest if you have any valuables put it inside your bags and just be careful although there has not been any security threats or incidents of losses because these are reformed inmates and they do dancing as an exercise. Are we ready Madam Chair? DR. MARIA ARLISSA AGUILUZ (HOD Past Speaker/OD Bulacan Chapter): Yes, Madam Speaker! DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Please proceed! DR. MARIA ARLISSA AGUILUZ (HOD Past Speaker/OD Bulacan Chapter): Thank you and again a pleasant good evening! Sa lahat na nandidito pa din at matiyagang sumusubaybay sa ating panukalang pagbabago para sa ating amended dental law. Liliwanagin ko lang po ang estado. Mayroon po tayong umiiral na Dental Law 2007 iyon po ay kailangan natin sundin kaya yung kaninang cluster na Constitution and By-laws ay pinipilit na amendahan yung ating Constitution and By-laws para integrated yung ating hygienist and technologist. Simultaneous with that ang cluster ko po naman ay nagsusumikap na palitan ang dental law na ito in the hope that may be 1 year, 2 years, 3 years ay mai-lobby na natin ito na sufisiente para ito ay pumalit na sa dental law na ngayon ay umiiral sa ating bansa. Samakatuwid, we may be taking different roads but trust us we are working to reach the same Mountain of Everest as everyone is, hopefully. Samantalang hindi pa natin naamendahan ang ating dental law hindi ho tayo maakusahan na hindi tayo nag-iintegrate because we are trying. So kung based on that orientation is everybody now on the same



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Yung correction of term of office ng ating Board of Examiners. Ang nakalagay limang examiners, tatlong taon pero nakalagay sa bandang dulo kada examiner bago magtapos ang kanyang limang taong panunungkulan ay kailangan maging Chair, so ang nangyari po ngayon divide, divide sila, so sadyang napakagulo all because probably of some technical errors while this was being typed baka clerical lang, nonetheless it has to go formal amendments, so gagawing term should be 5 years since there are 5 examiners. Annual report ng Board of Dentistry sa existing batas bibigyan lang nila ng annual report ng kanilang mga ginawa sa Commissioner ng PRC yoon lang pero bilang mga stakeholders sa kanilang licensure exam dahil tayo dito sa PDA ang tatanggap ng mga license dentist, yoon namang mga dental schools ay siyang responsible para masabi na supisiyente yung kanilang natutunan para pumasa. Dapat po itong annual report noon ating board of dentistry copies should be fully furnished without need to demand and to go through the vigorous application process of going to PRC and literally begging for copies to be furnished the academe and to the PDA. Dapat po willingly binibigay yan ano po ba ang napakalaking sekreto tungkol sa kanilang Annual Report. As tax payers we are entitled to this public information, so iyon po yung naging ating rationale doon. On the matter of integration Sec. 30 ata, oo, whatever. On the matter of integration iyon na nga, so for our own growth as professional organization, so that the dental technologist can grow at their own phase and address their own particular needs and concerns and the same with the hygienists and the same with the dentists, let us agree to be separate from each another, not integrated with each other, but rather work just in the spirit of cooperation, but in the meantime, we each have to grow individually as professional organizations not restricted by rules of dental law hanging like a sword over our neck na kung hindi mafulfill ay aalisan tayo ng accreditation ng ating PRC, so pagisipan ninyo po kung gusto pa din ninyo ng integration or not kasi diyan po nakasalalay ang balance ang pinakasubstance ng ating umiiral na dental law. Paggusto pa din ninyo ng integration we will have to do something na maassimilate talaga sila. Alright doon sa mga nagkakasala natin mga kasama sa hanap buhay ang current law P200,000.00 haggang P500,000.00 tapos ang imprisonment ay period of not less than 2 years and 1 day no more than 5 years sa experience noon Las Pinas Dental Chapter na naikwento niya kanina pag less than 5 years ang imprisonment term ito ay pupunta lamang sa Municipal Trial Court at nagiging bailable offense, so para maiwasan yon upon legal advice na din pinanunukala na itaas natin ang kaparusahan mayroon na ngang fine ng P200,000.00 to P500,000.00 and imprisonment minimum 6 years plus 1 day for a maximum of 10 years for illegal practice para mapunta sa Regional Trial Court hindi Municipal Trial Court. Advice ata ng lawyer mainam na nasa RTC huwag sa MTC, maraming nag-aagree, maraming legal minds dito eh. New provisions dahil hindi maisingit ala naman talaga so ang termino natin dito bagong panukala, new provisions. So yung term na Standard of Care ay sana maging equivalent and acceptable as Good Clinical Practice Guidelines o kung ano man yung sequence of words. Katulad nga po noon nabanggit ng aking dekano kanina iba po yung standards sa guidelines, so sana maging equivalent. Sa Code of Ethics provisions kasi ang dinidemand Standard of Care hindi Clinical Guidelines so ipit tayo don. Ang example ko nga doon ako bilang dentist ang aking paggawa sa mga dentures gumagamit po ako ng isang particular articulator na dapat ba na ipilit yon sa lahat ng mga dentist kung iyon ang magiging standard? So kung good clinical practice na lang magdedescribe tayo, maglalarawan tayo kung ano yung mga kondisiones kung saan magaling ka ng gumawa ng pustiso at hindi ito makakapinsala sa isang pasyente. So ito yung minumungkahi nitong particular new provision na mas flexible nga po kasi ang guidelines.



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Adherence to the Standard of Care and GPCD will be the sole basis for determining competency of the Filipino dentists and just form the framework of all dental training programs so I think there would be no quarrel on this one. You cannot be called eligitimate dental training program if you do not conform to the standard of care and the good clinical practice of dentistry kung ang training program mo ay nagtuturo lang ng isang technique, example for orthodontics na wala naman sa clinical guidelines kung hindi sarili mo lang imbensyon example, kasi inimbento mo yung bracket example, na gusto mong imarket yon so gusto mong magconduct ng so-called training program hindi yon puwedeng tawagin na lehitimong dental training program kung yung mga tinuturo mo doon ay hindi naaayon doon sa naaprubahan Standard of Care or Good Clinical Practice in Orthodontics sample lang po yon, maraming, marami po iyon. Yung penalty sa admin kasi so kung titingnan ninyo yung batas ngayon ang penalty for admin offense, for example ng admin offense hindi maganda yung iyong bookkeeping or record keeping ang penalty doon is revocation of license masyadong ano yon? Where did that word come from? So, fine na lang sana. Fine muna or warning puwedeng ganoon, warning ayusin mo yung record mo huwag naman revocation. Kung civil offense, ito ang gray area kasi po yung husgado ang nagsasabi kung iyon po ay civil ok, basta may criminal offense ka may kaakibat kang civil offense eh, so dito naglalaro tayo na ang presumption natin mas mabigat yung naging violation kaya mayroon siyang civil offense so natural mente mas mataas ngayon yung magiging penalty for violating so ang sabi nga diyan aside from the money of P50 to P100,000.00 suspended ang certificate niya for registration for at least 2 years but not more than 3, so 2 to 3 years at the discretion of the court na yan kung ano yung iaaward. Civil offenses are more serious than admin offenses and should logically be subjected to heavier penalty. Kung ikaw naman ay nakagawa ng criminal offense for example nang rape ka, nakapatay ka so criminal po yon. Revocation and all other civil liability awarded by due process and convicted criminals be dentists or not should not at all be allowed to treat patient especially if their crime is related to the practice of dentistry. Papayag po ba tayo na ang mga convicted rapist na dentist rin ay mananatili pa ring kahanay natin, iyon yung dapat nating pagisipan. Ang isang convicted pedophile ay papayagan pa din bang manggamot ng batang pasyente? Or any patient for that matter? Ito po yung pagisipan ninyo kasi convicted. When you say convicted with finality, natapos na yung appeal process kasi lagi namang may appeal so with finality po yon. Yung mga pagpapatakbo ng dental facilities including clinics, labs, and hospitals ang panukala should only be performed by duly licensed dentist na valid ang certificate of registration and valid PDA membership, so yung mga HMOs, mga hospitals that are run by big businesses ok lang sila except that ang decision maker should be a dentists, so that this is also ethical, so that decision about treatment planning will be based on oral examination and not by profitability, otherwise nagiging unethical po yung ganon klaseng pagdetermina kung ano yung magiging takbo. E kung for example yung ospital training hospital siya pero more on surgery dapat hindi puro surgical ang kanyang trato as the best treatment plan for the patient when in fact an even more conservative treatment plan would be better, so dapat dentist ang nagdedecide hindi business person. So, iyon po yung background noon ganyang klaseng panukala. Dental materials can only be purchased by duly licensed dentist and dental technologist puwede na ho nating idelete yung dental technologist diyan. Hygienist cannot operate their own clinic without a register dentist present to diagnose treat and manage the patient during all clinic hours. Alam ho natin na ang registered dental hygienist ay pinapayagan sa batas na manggamot on certain conditions, so hindi yon license para sila ay magbukas ng sarili nilang mga klinika at magoperate without a license dentist there, dapat licensed dentist ang nadodoon. Like they can do supragingival scaling pagsub-gingival they have to



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call a license dentist, so they cannot open a clinic at ideclare nila practice limited to x-ray, team pression, scaling and polishing, above the hindi po puwede yung ganoon. Their license is only as good as if they are supervised by a registered dentist. Ang mga technologist ay hindi pinapayagang maglagay ng mga karatula sa harapan ng kanilang dental laboratory sa pagiisip na ang kanilang mga kliyente ay tayong mga dentist na hindi nangangailangan ng signage para sila ay puntahan kasi sila naman ay pumupunta sa ating mga opisina para kunin ang mga trabaho. When they put up signages in their dental laboratory then it encourages patients from the street to walk in. Alam ko na mayroon tayong mga kaibigan na galing sa hanay ng dental technologist, I would very much like to hear what they say about that? Because I know also going on the other side having a decent permit, pasasara yung negosyo DTI allows them to put up signages, so this is where we should find a happy hunting ground in between 2 laws. I’m not a lawyer so we need more legal consult about this one pero this is what the sentiments the groups that were there all about. Since ang National Dental Health Month ay inaprubahan ng gobyerno and it is in fact supported by Republic Act 8 ito lamang ay nararapat na tumanggap ng inauukulang government subsidy from the book di ba? Kasi ito ay celebration of the entire month hindi lang naman natin inisip ito sa PDA pinadaan natin sa tamang proseso. Alala ko si Ka Arsen Donesa ang nagpaaprub niyan, so sincerely recognized siya ng government, sila nagdeclare, sila ang naglabas ng Republic Act para diyan magbigay sila ng pera para diyan. Hindi ko lang naresearch kung ano yung number. Proclamation Act No. yung tama lang mareresearch ko din yan naubusan lang ako ng oras pasensiya na kayo. Sinong Presidente? GMA. Para sa ating mga kaibigan na nasa Department of Health and other government agencies na mga dentist ang panukalang pagbabalik ng Bureau of Dental Health Services under the DOH, mahabang proseso po ito pero ay nasa Republic Act mapipilitan na po ang DOH na gumawa ng hakbang para ito ay maitaguyod yoon po yung ganda nito, kung tayo ay magiging matagumpay sa pagkuha ng suporta dito sa gobyerno, sa Congreso at saka sa Senado mapipilitan po talaga ang DOH na ibalik ang Bureau of Dental Services. Pareho din po sa Dental Research, Council of Dental Research ibalik sa Dental Law kasi nawala po yon e. Kung 4419 mayroon tayong Council of Dental Research noon lumabas ang 9484 ito po ay nawala nadelete po ito. So hindi priority yung dental research anywhere else eh. Charity, Dental services render to patients should be honoured as tax rebates or tax credits for the licensed dentists. Sana ay mapayagan na tayong maidekrela dito sa ating mga ITR bilang charity donation para maibawas doon sa mga buwis na kailangan nating ibigay sa gobyerno panukala po you, proposed po yon. Preceptorship programs in dentistry can be conducted by qualified dentists who have the appropriate post grad. Training and not just by dental schools. Sabi nga ho ng President nating si Dr. Turing the dental schools will not have the sole people who are good thinkers and good educators. There are a lot qualified dentists who may not be in the academe but who are really quite good in teaching, so this should be allowed to them. Ang question po ng isang delegado natin kanina quality control. Sino ang magsasabi na ang preceptorship na iyon ay qualified in which case, in my own personal humble opinion doon po dapat pumasok ang PDA. PDA should now attempt or endeavour to gather all the preceptorship programs under its wing and then recommend to the members ito lang ang mga preceptorship program na mainam ninyong enrollan dahil nakilatis na ng PDA ang trainors niyan at ang training program na isasa -ilalim kayo. Iyon po yung ating magiging check and balance para hindi naman lumaganap yung mga preceptorship program na wala naman



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pong qualification yaong mga naghahatid ng kaalaman. hindi po commercial purposes lamang. Ang nabanggit po kaninang umaga stakeholders, ang Rep. Act 9484 kasama po sa stakeholder nito ay ang ating mga kasamahan sa propesyon na dental graduate pero hindi pinalad na makapasa ng board exam. So identified po sila my stakeholder and I met with them they are about with the leaders that I spoke, we are sort of semi-organized about 13,000 across the country who are not licensed. So I had to seek out what their feelings were about the provision on the refresher course that they are compelled to attend to if they have failed to pass the board exams for 3 consecutive tries and they told me na sana naman tanggalin na itong refresher course na ito kasi no. 1 pagika’y binigyan ng diploma at transcript ng iyong dental school ikaw ay isa ng garantiya na ika’y isang competent dentist pero ang sabi ko nga doon hindi kailangan mo ng government licensing. The academe will only grant you the right to use the title doctor kahit wala kang lisensya, but not grant you the privilege to practice, so aminado sila doon. Ang sabi naman nila sana huwag na lang refresher, sana kahit any review kasi naginvest kami sa isang refresher course yung kuwento nga po noon isa sa akin umabot daw yung kanyang investment na iyon ng P100,000.00 tapos noon nagtake siya ng board exam again ay hindi rin ho siya pinalad pumasa ang tugon ko po sa kanya doon hindi naman kasi garantiya iyan kailangan ikaw ay talagang magaaral, sabi niya in that case doktora, ano ang pagkakaiba na ako ay pumunta sa isang maayos na review center kahit wala ito sa isang iskuwelahan? Because sa refresher course you have to attend it for at least 5 days, 4 days a week for a minimum of 6 months and achieve a certain grade level in all the exams being conducted so nawawalan sila ng chance daw na maghanap buhay pa sa mga iba pang field of endeavour nila para buhayin ang kani-kanilang pamilya. So ganon po, so iyon yung panukala nila. Ito I am sure controversial ito sa inyo, sa akin controversial ito eh. instead eh sabi ko ano ang gusto ninyong gawin? Sabi nila sa Amerika alam namin hindi lang 3 tries para makapasa ng board exam limang tries daw so sabi nila hindi ba ninyo kami pupwedeng pagbigyan ng dental law na bigyan kami ng limang pagkakataon para pumasa sa board exam, e kung hindi kayo makapasa within 5 tries sabi ko e magmomo -netorium muna daw sila ng dalawang taon during which time they will review, so alam ko ito rin parang maraming question pero like I said hindi ho ako empowered to edit and delete the suggestion and hear as their voice in fact it appears to them they will grab at any chance to be able to talk to the legitimate dentist and air their concerns any chance at all they will grab it. So sabi ko kung ito ay ihaharap ko sa House of Delegates sila po ay talaga natuwa at naging excited sana magpraprayer vigil daw sila na may mangyari dito. Phil-Health benefits should include basic dental services as part of the patients dental health benefit, yung ating speaker ang nagamenda nito sabi niya kasi ang charter po ng Phil Health mabibigyan ka lang ng dental service kung ito ay nasa loob ng operating room yoon ang charter, so ang aking sinasabi masmadali ata that we work within the charter of the Phil Health rather than try to change the charter itself, ano yon suko ako doon kung papalitan natin yung charter ng Phil Health napakadami yatang bulati na kailangan pumirma doon. So ang panukala nalang doon ng ating mahal na speaker of the house ay to include Phil Health benefit for dental services conducted in patients in hospitals and in the OR to include even multiple odoctectomy, etc. etc. kasi ngayon sa Phil Health Charter ang allow nila group training basta i-OR mo i-GGA mo yung patient para mag-group training parang unethical naman ata noon, so yoon sa Phil Health po. Yoon po para sa Republic Act. Iyon naman pong sa Code of Ethics, wala naman pong umaway doon sa primary duty ng serbisyo publiko maliban sa tanggalin na daw yung salitang hygienist and technologist dahil itong prescribed Code of Ethics ay para lamang sa dentist yoon po ang naging panukala kanina. Sa emergency wala din pong pagbabago doon gawin lang inilapit sa iyo ng pasiyente



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So yours truly would like to ask the confirment of this House with regards to the additional funds to finance the operations of the association. As you can see there will be just 3 areas of funding that we need to have to be subsidized. First, the General Funds which contains all the operational expenses like transportation, travel, honorarium, salaries and wage, employees benefits, security fees, telephone and postage, office supplies, light and water, utilities, also included in this one the events that may happen on that transition period to include the National Dental Health Month the 9th National Dental Health Month, the Awards Night that is still covered by this leadership that will held during the April Annual Convention and of course the Continuing Dental Association and the publication fund. All in all it sums up to close to P8.9 million. My apologies but this does not include the funding of the Technical Working Group, completion of the work of the Technical Working group particularly that of the Standard of Care Cluster. The first 2 clusters are almost completed but the works of the Standard of Care Cluster would entail a lot of validation. If ever we push through with the completion of the task within this PDA term, however, if it will not be completed we will ask the next administration to consider completing it in behalf of the people who worked for it during this session. So that is all Madam Speaker. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Thank you very much, Mr. President! The Chair now calls for the approval of the proposed budget of the President for January up to May 2013? Any motion for the approval of the budget of the President? General Dentistry? DR. MELINDA GONZALEZ (OD PAGD): Madam Speaker, I move for the approval of the budget of President Dean Turing for the year 2013, thank you! DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Second? Laguna, Nueva Ecija, Ilocos Sur, Caloocan City, Mandaluyong, Women Dentist, so on and so forth. Any discussion? IAO are you calling for a discussion, sir? Wala. Any amendment? Yes, Madam Treasurer? DR. IRAIDA DE LEON (PDA Treasurer ): Madam Speaker, point of inquiry po. May I ask the President saan niya po kukuhanin yung budget na yon? kasi as for the para po hanggang December negative na po tayo. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Mr. President? DR. ARTURO DE LEON (PDA President): That is why we are encouraging the Executive Board to be one in producing the funds for this one and of course we will be firm with our conviction of collecting the other membership dues of P500.00 per member which were further reduced to P375.00. As it has been clearly explained during our executive board meeting and the correspondence that we have distributed to the Presidents we need to collect the P500.00 or the half of the P1,000.00 membership dues to at lease finance the operational expenses of this transition period from January 1 to May 31. That is why we are pushing for the Luzon Area Convention



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because we feel that this can generate other source of funds to augment this operation for the period of January to May. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Thank you. Madam Treasurer does that answer your query? DR. IRAIDA DE LEON (PDA Treasurer): Madam Speaker, I think the P375.00 will not be enough to cover the budget proposal and the P375.00 may allotment pa din po yon. May I suggest na yung ibang expenses po bawasan doon sa budget proposal? DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Ok that is noted Mr. President! DR. ARTURO DE LEON (PDA President): Yes, well noted. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Yes PCOMS and IPP, Dr. Robert Tajonera? DR. ROBERT TAJONERA (PDA Immediate Past President/OD PCOMS): Thank you Madam Speaker. Verification lang po. If you will remember Madam Speaker during our 3rd or 4th board meeting, I questioned the validity of collecting the P375.00 and you agreed it is on the record, but before we collect the P375.00, it should be approved by the HOD, that is on the record Madam, but how come we are collecting it now? It should be approved by the HOD first before we collect. We will support the President of course, I know the sentiment of the President, but let us make it in the proper prospective and the question of our treasurer is valid. He presented a negative budget during the Mid-year but, remember Madam Speaker, during the Midyear-year presentation of the annual budget of our President Dr. Turing before he is already negative, but how come in the National Dental Health Month we spend P7.2 million for that, dapat po binuldiyahan natin because we cannot raise the funds instantly dapat po guarded natin yan. I understand the situation, wala po tayo masyadong sponsor, tight ang budget, I would like to manifest my sentiment on this as a leader and if I would request let us review the minutes if you would like to make it clear that you, yourself Madam Speaker, in my statement and in my query, if this P375.00 is legal, assuming that it is approved by the Board 8 against 7, again I will repeat 8 against 7 it is on the record that it should be approved by the HOD before you start collecting from the members. That is all Madam Speaker. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Thank you very much, Immediate Past President Robert Tajonera on that. Yes, would you like to response on that?



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DR. ARTURO DE LEON (PDA President-Elect): Yes, first of all, while we spent P 7 million for the NDHM, the P 3 million is self liquidating actually because this is the Fun Run that we financed, that we actually gain a profit of at least P300,000.00 to 400,000.00 on record, on record. Do not actually, of course it will not be total expense of the P 7 million, but you know we worked on that budget of P3.7 million. The other expenses were placed on the Fun Run, there will be expenses, but there is a gain through sponsorship and through registration and to the sale of the singlets. P 7 million kung iisipin mo mataas pero nagself liquidate yung first ever Fun Run, Yung Pilipinas Darating Ako participated by 5,000 dentists and non-dentists. For the first time we celebrated a National Dental Health Month together with the public? For the first time our tarpaulin, our billboard was shown in EDSA for five (5) months. It is a self liquidating event and with regards to the collection, I think we should review our division of work. It was legislated that the membership dues is P1,000.00, did the executive board change that one? No, it is still P1,000.00. We agreed, the HOD approved it as P1,000.00, are we changing the dues? No, the By-laws state that if you have to change the dues it has to be confirmed by the House. The P500.00 is based on approved P1,000.00 membership dues. We did not change that one, but the collection of fund is an executive action, is an executive task. We do not ask the permission of the House every time we collect? Noon bang P500.00 na established ng membership due does the president asked the HOD may I collect P500.00 from the members? No, once you established the dues P1,000.00 you are hereby mandated to collect? Are we collecting from any based on any other dues or amount? No, we based it on the half year membership dues, collection of dues is an executive function, once it was established the dues, the function of collecting is now with the executive branch of the association. We did not, and we are not changing the amount, it is still P1,000.00, but we are just collecting P500.00. In fact because of the diligence of the Executive Board, we were able to reduce it to P375.00, through the office of the President we were able to get a life insurance that will be what? That will give us the benefits for 18 months. Alam ninyo yung P1.2 to 2.5 million it could have been an augmentation for my negative funds, but the Executive Board is kind enough not to get that one, but rather extends it to the members benefit, so pano P375.00? Ako naman ang sinasabi namin sa Executive Board this term is paving a way to an improved administrative calendar which we all agreed, the House approved it. Everyone is going for that one dapat nga siguro the House should have not given the administration that privilege that Turing we are extending your term, what do you need? It is not something that we want? But we all want it. But we are just asking for something that is for us wala iyan iniwan sa ganito, hotel from 8 to 10 hours ka lang paglumampas ka ng 10 hours magbabayad ka, hindi ho ba? Iyon lang naman ang hinihingi ko, ako actually mahirap humanap ng pondo, but I am trying my best, yung directory natin P1.4 million may binayaran ba tayo? Wala, we are using our sources to raise these funds. I’m begging for something that I deserve? Yoon lang naman e. Yung sa LA natin yoon sana puwede ma-augment natin pati sa P375.00 at alam na alam ko na ang mga Luzon Chapter at ibang Chapters sa Visayas at Mindanao also feel the sting of the extended term kaya nga sabi namin this time a national program but they contribute only to the national coffers but to the chapter coffers because what we feel on the national level is also felt on the Chapter level. Hirap din naman kaming magpromote e kasi nga naman hind naman natin ito, hindi nila nakikita na, ang alam ko nakita ninyo lang na kulang sa pondo, but do we close shop? Kung sa tingin ninyo madaling magclose shop not on my watch. I will find ways to raise this funds whether you are with me or without with me, but I will tell you I will raise funds for this one. Masmaganda naman siguro kung magtutulungan tayo. Sige kung gusto ninyong magbawas ako walang problema sa akin NDHM P3.7 million huwag nating gawin ok lang, walang problema sa amin, but these things are based on what we have on the first half a year every term. Walang problema sa akin kung, ok wala tayong NDHM, sabi nga noon isang Board Member let us just observe, walang problema sa akin yon, but it is my duty to



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present this one to you. It is my duty for you to realize it is a mandated activity. Now it is up to you, it is up to you my fellow PDA members. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Thank you very much! Yes Dr. Manny Centeno and the Kalookan and then I recognize IPP and we end the discussion. DR. EMMANUEL CENTENO (PDA VP LUZON-NORTH): Regarding po doon sa approval of collection of membership hindi naman po taon, taon, every year nagkakaroon ng convention. The House approved the collection of membership. It is stated na ho sa ating Constitution na ang membership is paid once nagstart na ho yung ating administrative year, so nagkataon lang po na yung ating transition period inaprub na wala naman ho sa Constitution na in case of transition period magkakaroon ng approval kung magkokolek o hindi ang membership dues, e nagkataon lang po na approve ng Board nasa Constitution na ang collection for one year e start at January since nagpalit po tayo ng transition from May to January, at the end of December 31. So ngayon balik na naman tayo ng transition period, balik na naman tayo ng June, so ano ang gagawin natin doon sa membership ng January to May? Dapat nga po ang kinolekta ng administration natin is still P1,000.00 pa din and then kasi from the start of January po membership diba ang start po natin ng membership is P1,000.00 e since transition period nga po kalahati lang kinuha namin dahil ayaw po naming maapektuhan ang incoming administration na magstart ng June to December kaya out of the P500.00 naging P375.00 because of extended yung coverage ng insurance natin. So with that I think hindi na ho natin kailangan ng approval ng membership within this House of Delegates. Thank you po! DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Thank you, Dr. Centeno! Kalookan? DR. ARIEL GO (OD Kalookan City Chapter): I don’t know if I am going to address the president for the Council of Past Speakers because according to the President, the interpretation of the collection is an executive decision. This one worries me, ma’am, if every year it is going to be an executive decision, anong mangyayari sa atin everybody na mauupong President dito can do an executive decision to increase the membership dues. DR. ARTURO DE LEON (PDA President): Collection lang. DR. ARIEL GO (OD Kalookan City Chapter): Second ma’am, with regards to the preparation the extention of term was approved during the mid-year session if I am not wrong, ma’am, so if you are the President-elect during that time, 2 months or a month before the convention you know already how much worth is your convention, kasi nakapasok na diyan yung exhibitors and your pre-reg. so the moment na nagstart ang convention, alam na natin na may extension yung term, so bakit tayo magkakaroon ng adjustment of P375.00 additonal if kung pupwede naman nating piniprepare sana ang term natin for 1 year and a half with the budget na nakolekta natin from the Pre-Annual covention. That will be all, ma’am.



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DR. CLAFRISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Thank you very much, Delegate from Kalookan! May I call the last discussant, IPP Dr. Robert Tajonera? DR. ROBERT TAJONERA (PDA Immediate Past President): Thank you, Madam Speaker! It is also on the record that on the first Board meeting we had in the Unilab, the President mentioned that we are fortunate that the insurance company accepted this premium for one year and a half. It is very clear, that is good, but how come in some inductions, in some affairs, the Office of the President, as well as, Dr. Manny Centeno the VP for North, always mention this statement that “paghindi kayo nagbayad ng P375.00 mapuputol ang benefit ng insurance,”; (2) collection is the same as you are getting the money from the member without the HOD approval, (3) do you know that we paid P1.2 million for the event coordinator of the Fun Run without Board approval? Had with not consultation with the Board and on top of that we have 3,5 or 7 minor sponsors that goes the money to the event coordinator and I would like to manifest this please, I would like to know the name of the, in the future, in the future, not now because we lack time for transparency, the name, the details and the financial statement of the National Dental Health Month and the Fun Run. I disagree with the statement of our President that he earned the profit. It is on the record that the sponsor of National Dental Health Month, the 3 major sponsors went to sponsorship of the Fun Run which should not be because National Dental Health Month is a priority. So kung pupwede po sana maliwanagan ito dahil ang sa akin lang tipirin natin kung talagang walang budget. I am not against approving the budget of the President, mahirap talagang magpatakbo ng PDA ng walang budget pero tingnan naman natin kung saan tayo makakapagtipid at saan po tayo aakto ng tama na naaayon sa Constitution kasi this is stated in the provision of the Constitution that collection of membership should be passed and approved in the HOD. yon lang po sa akin Madam Speaker. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Thank you very much! That was the last discussant. We now for the amendment portion? What is your privilege motion delegate from Camarines Sur? DR. JESSIE ALBEUS (CD Camarines Sur): Good evening para matapos na po itong pinaguusapan na napakagulo, siguro I move that a motion na bibigyan natin ng karapatan na magkolek ng P375.00 ang ating President. Thank you very much! DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Thank you very much! May I remind the gentleman from Camarines Sur that the motion is to approve the budget presented by the President, yung P375.00 po is part of that discussion in the presentation of the budget. So since that was not an amendment, I would like to call if there is any objection to the budget proposed by the President? Hearing none, the budget as proposed is hereby approved. DR. ARTURO DE LEON (PDA President): Thank you very much! Can I just say something Madam Speaker?



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DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Yes, Mr. President! DR. ARTURO DE LEON (PDA President): As the elected father of the Association, I might have done something that might have caused problems to some of you, I am a dreamer person, so when I set goals I will make sure it happens, and as a friend, as as human being, and as part of this PDA member, I would like to apologize to those people and let us move on. Thank you very much! DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Thank you very much, Mr. President! Thank you very much! I would just like to throw a question to the floor? It is 8:00 o’clock and we have 12 resolutions before us and I am sure that some of us are itching to dance and eat. Serve dinner here? I would not want to disappoint our sponsors for the Fellowship, so I will throw the question to the House, to the floor; there are 3 pending Board Resolutions that require confernment. It was discussed and approved by the Board at Quest Hotel namely Mr. Floor Leader please read. DR. RAYMUNDO EDESIO LOPE (HOD Floor Leader): Board Resolution No. 14 – Mandating the execution of a memorandum of agreement with the National Bureau of Investigation for the full implementation of the provisions of Presidential Decree 1575. Next is Board Resolution No. 15 – Commendation for distinct honor to the organizing committee of the 33rd Asia –Pacific Dental Congress. Third is Board Resolution No. 16 – Creation and Publication of the PDA roster of active members of good standing. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): So the chair would like to solicit if we would still tackle the 3 Board resolutions requiring confernment by the House? Yes, Kalookan City? DR. ARIEL GO (OD Kalookan City Chapter): Since all these resolutions are administrative in nature, we don’t need to discuss it let us just approve it. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Is that a motion? Any second to the motion? Seconded by Olongapo, Pampanga, Women Dentist, Ilocos Sur, General Dentistry, Endodontics, PAFJO. Any discussion? Any amendments to the motion? Any objection? Hearing none, the 3 Board resolutions No. 14, 15 and 16 are hereby approved. Maraming salamat po. So we still have the Amalgam Phase Out and then we La Union Resolution No. 2, 3, 4; Las Pinas Resolution No. 1; Iloilo Resolution, Ilocos Norte Resolution, Philippine Academy of Aesthetic Dentistry 1 & 2, and from KADEBU. May we ask the opinion of those sponsors of these resolutions, if they are willing to postpone the discussion? Yes past Speaker Valdez?



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DR. VICTOR VALDEZ (HOD Past Speaker): I move that we postpone the discussion of the remaining resolutions at the Annual Session. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Duly seconded. Any discussion? Ok the motion that was presented by La Union is to postpone the discussion of the remaining resolution as approved in yesterday’s agenda to postpone it in the Annual Session, duly seconded. So now I would like to call for any discussion on the motion as presented for the postponement of the remaining resolutions. Yes, Madam delegate from Bulacan? DR. MARIA ARLISSA AGUILUZ (HOD Past Speaker/OD Bulacan Chapter): Query lang po, point of inquiry. Pag ho ba ina-prubahan natin kahapon na House rules sa pagkakatanda ko po motion should be filed by the CD and the OD, am I correct on that one? DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Yes, that is correct!

DR. MARIA ARLISSA AGUILUZ (HOD Past Speaker/OD Bulacan Chapter): So I will request now to maybe we can request of the OD and CD of La Union to please state the motion. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Ok, I stand corrected on calling Past Speaker. May I request our CD from La Union to present the motion on the postponement? DR. ARTEMIO LICOS, JR. (CD La Union Chapter): I move to postpone the 4 resolutions from La Union Chapter. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Thank you! Is that duly seconded? Duly seconded. Anymore discussion? None, amendment? Objection? Hearing none, the motion is hereby approved. What about the other those who have presented Las Pinas? Ilocos Norte, Iloilo and PAED and KADEBU? May we call the OD from las Pinas? DR. CHERRY MATNOG (OD Las Piñas Chapter): I move for the postponement of our resolution for April. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Thank you very much! Any second to the motion as presented by Las Piñas, duly seconded, any discussion? Amendment? Objection? Thank you very much, the motion is approved! May we call delegate from Iloilo?



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DR. ROMEO MAGALLANES (OD Iloilo Chapter): Madam Speaker, this is a privilege motion. I move for the adjournment of the Mid-year Session 2012. DR. CLARISSA JANE PE (HOD Speaker): Thank you very much to our birthday celebrant OD from Iloilo. Inasmuch as that is a privilege motion before I will agree to that, I would just like to make a manifestation that earlier there was a submitted resolution, 2 resolutions actually commending the Technical Working Group for the excellent job that they have done and also to manifest our gratitude to the governor of Cebu for hosting the dinner and the party last night. And with that we close the Mid-year Session for 2012 and I thank everybody and let us now proceed to our Fellowship Night and enjoy the rest of the evening. Thank you and God bless you all!

Submitted by: DR. ESPERANZA C. VILORIA 2nd Secretary PDA-HOD 2012 Noted by: DR. CLARISSA JANE F. PE Speaker, PDA-HOD 2012

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