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TRANSCRIPT OF RECORDED INTERVIEW RMS#: RM09043058

Audio Recorded Interview:

Video Recorded Interview:

Name: Michael RAFFERTY

Residence:

Date of Birth:

Telephone: Residence:

Business:

Cell:

Date of Interview: 15May09

Location of Interview:

Interviewed By: D/Cst. Gord JOHNSON

D/Cst. Colin DARMON

Time Interview Commenced: 19:04 hours

Time Interview Concluded: 19:33 hours

Others Present:

Transcribed By: Christine Freeman

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Proofed By: D/Cst. Gord JOHNSON

09Jul09

(u/i) unintelligible (ph) phonetic spelling

Interview of Michael RAFFERTY – 15May09

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The following transcript has been prepared for the convenience of the reader. Please refer to the original format in which the statement was obtained for accuracy.

OFFICER: D/Cst. Gord JOHNSON = JOHNSON

SUBJECT: Michael RAFFERTY = RAFFERTY

MOTHER: Debbie MURPHY = MURPHY

JOHNSON: it’s the fifteenth (15th) uh of May, two thousand nine (2009) I

have a time of seven (7) O (0) four (4) P.M. my name’s Gord

JOHNSON I’m a Detective Constable with the O.P.P. also

present is my partner Colin DARMON of the O.P.P. and we’re

talking to Michael RAFFERTY Mike can I get the spelling of

your first and last name please

RAFFERTY: M I C H A E L R A F F E R T Y

JOHNSON: okay and ah just for the record uh this is being audiotaped and

I’ve already received your personal information um before the

recorder was turned on is that correct

RAFFERTY: yes

JOHNSON: and can I just get your age

RAFFERTY: I’m twenty-eight (28)

JOHNSON: okay um the reason why you’re here today is that uh we’re

investigating the abduction of ah a girl by the name of Victoria

she goes by Tori STAFFORD

RAFFERTY: um hmm


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JOHNSON: back on the eighth (8th) of April two thousand nine (2009) and

as part of our investigation we’ve bin interviewing all kinds of

people and ah your name has has come up just as a person to

contact now do you know anything about the case at all have

you heard anything or

RAFFERTY: um just the stuff that you hear like on the news and stuff I

mean you kinda keep your ears peeled to what everybody’s

saying too because you uh know you wanna help but

JOHNSON: right

RAFFERTY: um there was a girl who I was sort of seeing um well who I met

who ah who was like telling me like stuff that she was hearing

and stuff like that if any of it’s true I don’t know but

JOHNSON: okay

RAFFERTY: that’s about it (laugh)

JOHNSON: can you tell me about this girl who

RAFFERTY: I don’t know her last name her first name was Amanda um she

was apparently friends with her daughter was friends with um

the girl who went missing

JOHNSON: okay so Amanda how do you know Amanda

RAFFERTY: I we went on a couple dates that’s about it


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JOHNSON: okay so Amanda’s daughter

RAFFERTY: Amanda’s daughter is best friends with or was friends with this

girl who went missing so

JOHNSON: okay and you don’t know Amanda’s last name at all

RAFFERTY: no

JOHNSON: do you know the daughter’s name

RAFFERTY: no

JOHNSON: so you’ve met went out with Amanda a couple times

RAFFERTY: a couple times yeah

JOHNSON: where does Amanda live then

RAFFERTY: ah here in town she lives um (pause) ah it starts with a B it’s

the second last street out of town just before the train tracks by

the Tim Hortons um if you’re going down Dundas that way um

it’s the second last street out of before you get out of town um

Baxber Bexter or Baxter or something along those lines

JOHNSON: yeah we’re not from around here

RAFFERTY: okay it’s


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JOHNSON: we’re from out of the area as well

RAFFERTY: something along those lines it’s it’s like um it’s the second last

street out of town so

JOHNSON: okay that’s fine and when ah were you dating Amanda

RAFFERTY: um we were talking before all this craziness stuff went

happening and stuff like that and then we I’d say like three (3)

times we met hung out that was about it

JOHNSON: when was so when was that that you met up with her and hung

out with her

RAFFERTY: um well we were talking maybe a month and a half I think

before all that happened before

JOHNSON: before the girl went missing

RAFFERTY: yeah and then um once the girl went missing she started

spending a lot of time um with the family there and we started

not spending so much time with each other and then we just

stopped talking

JOHNSON: Amanda started spending time with the family whose family

RAFFERTY: with the girl who went missing with her family


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JOHNSON: oh okay

RAFFERTY: I can’t remember the mom’s name but she

JOHNSON: Tara MCDONALD

RAFFERTY: yeah

JOHNSON: have you met Tara MCDONALD

RAFFERTY: no I don’t know who she is

JOHNSON: okay does Amanda just ah you know um for my own sake you

know to know her to find out who she is does she work

somewhere

RAFFERTY: does Amanda work somewhere

JOHNSON: yeah

RAFFERTY: not that I know of but she works somewhere I don’t know

where I don’t really know anything about her

JOHNSON: oh really

RAFFERTY: like I just I mean we didn’t really get too close

JOHNSON: okay


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RAFFERTY: like we we fooled around and stuff but that was it

JOHNSON: right so when’s the last time you would have uh spoke to

Amanda or saw her

RAFFERTY: um I’d say like a week and a half two (2) weeks um after that

girl went missing she said that um like she was going through a

lot of problems apparently or something and so I just we just

kinda cut it off sorta about that time

JOHNSON: so how long ago was

RAFFERTY: about two (2) weeks

JOHNSON: two (2) weeks ago

RAFFERTY: a week and a half two (2) weeks no a week and a half two (2)

weeks after after the girl went missing

JOHNSON: okay and um what did Amanda tell you about the case then you

said she kinda spoke about it

RAFFERTY: well she just told me like uh she her daughter was friends with

the little girl um that the mom um was into a lot of stuff and

JOHNSON: like what

RAFFERTY: like drugs and stuff like that and I don’t know just and just the

stuff that I mean you hear on the news but it’s different when


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you hear it from somebody who’s like friends with them or

who knows them or something like that so you just kinda I

mean I don’t know what to you don’t know how to react to it

but on the other hand you just it’s too much drama so you just

kinda cut it out

JOHNSON: yeah um did she say what kind of drugs they’re into

RAFFERTY: no

JOHNSON: no

RAFFERTY: no um I know like the word on the street is a lot different

though like the words the words that kinda you know people

say like I hear that girl’s always at Goodtime Charlie’s and

JOHNSON: what girl

RAFFERTY: the mom um Tara that she’s like at Goodtime Charlie’s and that

place is like a crack bar apparently like everybody who does

drugs in the town hangs out there so um just (laugh) I don’t

know how to react to it like I don’t it’s not my business but on

the other hand it’s too much drama when you hear somebody

like gossiping and talking behind other people’s backs

JOHNSON: um so have you bin in town that long

RAFFERTY: no like have I what do you mean


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JOHNSON: live in town here

RAFFERTY: have I lived in town long

JOHNSON: yeah

RAFFERTY: no

JOHNSON: okay how long then

RAFFERTY: few months

JOHNSON: just for the record

RAFFERTY: oh a few months

JOHNSON: just a few months so when did you arrive in Woodstock

RAFFERTY: ah I don’t know exactly it was like I was I was here for a bit

um beginning of last summer like for um like my girlfriend and

I had a place and then ah we came here to stay with my mom

and my girlfriend um moved out and I stayed with my mom

and then I met a new girlfriend and I moved in with her for a

bit but not legally lived with her like we just I just stayed there

a lot when I came here like once a month to visit

JOHNSON: okay so just to go back so you you moved to Woodstock when

was that


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RAFFERTY: ah

JOHNSON: with your girlfriend

RAFFERTY: yeah that was that was last year like the beginning of last year

JOHNSON: in the winter spring

RAFFERTY: I think it was in the winter that we came here other no it was it

was beginning of spring the end of winter beginning of spring

that that we came here

JOHNSON: what year

RAFFERTY: last year

JOHNSON: two thousand and eight (2008)

RAFFERTY: yeah

JOHNSON: okay and who did you come with

RAFFERTY: my girlfriend

JOHNSON: and her name

RAFFERTY: Leslie (assumed spelling)

JOHNSON: Leslie


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RAFFERTY: MCKENZIE (assumed spelling)

JOHNSON: okay it’s just that I need the information you know what I mean

if you can just give me names

RAFFERTY: I just don’t feel comfortable giving everybody’s name

JOHNSON: well it’s just

RAFFERTY: like it’s not

JOHNSON: it’s just we need that information do you know what I mean so

RAFFERTY: but it doesn’t sorry just doesn’t make sense to me why you

would need my girlfriend’s name who moved out

JOHNSON: well just because it’s you’re talking about someone we don’t

know who you’re talking about

RAFFERTY: okay

JOHNSON: you know what I mean just to complete it

RAFFERTY: um hmm

JOHNSON: um so you mention ah you moved into your mother’s place and

can I get her name


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RAFFERTY: Debbie MURPHY (assumed spelling)

JOHNSON: okay and so when you

RAFFERTY: she lived here with her boyfriend

JOHNSON: and can I get his name

RAFFERTY: David RIDDELL (assumed spelling)

JOHNSON: and how do you spell his last name

RAFFERTY: R I D D E L…I don’t know exactly

JOHNSON: okay so how long did you stay with your mom for

RAFFERTY: um we I stayed for a couple weeks

JOHNSON: yep

RAFFERTY: um it was just my girlfriend and I for a couple weeks and then I

started working in Oakville with my brother um and then I met

somebody there so I started spending more time with them and

then well in that time my girlfriend had already moved out um

she went and she just wasn’t happy so she moved out and then

while I was working there I met somebody who lived like right

in the area that I was working in so I stayed

JOHNSON: in Oakville


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RAFFERTY: yeah

JOHNSON: okay

RAFFERTY: so I stayed with her for a little bit and then um like I still

technically lived here but I was never here at all

JOHNSON: whereabouts in Oakville were you working

RAFFERTY: Glen Abbey

JOHNSON: oh okay

RAFFERTY: um yeah and then my brother’s business was done but then I

kept business going for myself which was good um doing the

same kind of stuff like construction landscaping and stuff

JOHNSON: yeah

RAFFERTY: and then she ah my girlfriend the girl I was seeing at the time

there was getting me like a lot of jobs and stuff so that was

good

JOHNSON: that’s good yeah

RAFFERTY: um then I came back here after Christmas because her and I

split up so I came back here after Christmas and it was like um

January February ish that I came here


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JOHNSON: two thousand nine (2009)

RAFFERTY: yeah

JOHNSON: yeah

RAFFERTY: and that’s it I’ve been here since

JOHNSON: have you been working here then

RAFFERTY: I’ve been looking for jobs I’ve been doing like odd jobs I don’t

know if I should tell you guys like like I just don’t want

JOHNSON: we’re not

RAFFERTY: I don’t wanna get in trouble over it

JOHNSON: we’re not ah interested in the part okay

RAFFERTY: you know but I don’t want things to bite me in the ass you

know

JOHNSON: no what types of jobs are you doing

RAFFERTY: like construction jobs

JOHNSON: yeah


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RAFFERTY: like

JOHNSON: okay

RAFFERTY: cash jobs

JOHNSON: sure okay just for the record what’s your brother’s name then

RAFFERTY: Jonathan (assumed spelling) CUNDY

JOHNSON: (u/i)

RAFFERTY: I have two (2) two (2) brothers

JOHNSON: Jonathan and

RAFFERTY: Jonathan CUNDY

JOHNSON: CUNDY how do you spell that last name

RAFFERTY: C U N D Y

JOHNSON: okay and your girlfriend at the time

RAFFERTY: I don’t want

JOHNSON: in Oakville


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RAFFERTY: I don’t want to mention her I’ll call her Kate but I’m not giving

you her last name

JOHNSON: okay Kate that’s fine so you since you’ve bin back in

Woodstock you’ve bin doing part-time jobs and so on

RAFFERTY: and helping out around here because this place is was a dump

so

JOHNSON: okay um have you got to know some people in town here other

than Amanda then

RAFFERTY: I know I’ve met maybe four (4) met four (4) people that’s

about it

JOHNSON: who are they

RAFFERTY: ah a girl named Joy

JOHNSON: Joy

RAFFERTY: yeah

JOHNSON: and what’s her last name

RAFFERTY: don’t wanna give it (laugh)

JOHNSON: well it’s important that we know about it


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RAFFERTY: it’s not

JOHNSON: okay it’s local

RAFFERTY: I’m not gonna give it (laugh) I don’t wanna like I just met her I

don’t want something

JOHNSON: okay so it’s just like a friendship type of thing

RAFFERTY: for now for now

JOHNSON: okay

RAFFERTY: um oh and Terri-Lynne

JOHNSON: yeah you know her last name

RAFFERTY: no

JOHNSON: okay

RAFFERTY: I thought LYNNE was her last name for a bit but I guess not

(laugh)

JOHNSON: okay

RAFFERTY: um (pause) ah somebody works at Staple’s I met that was it I

don’t Rob ZEEZER (CSISZAR)


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JOHNSON: Rob ZEEZER (CSISZAR)

RAFFERTY: something like that I don’t we don’t even know each like we

met each other once and we hung out at Crabby Joe’s with a

crowd of people and that was the only name that I remembered

so

JOHNSON: okay

RAFFERTY: that was about it because he has a car that’s nicely decked out

so

JOHNSON: yeah what’s he got

RAFFERTY: ah an Acura

JOHNSON: oh

RAFFERTY: it’s just it’s done nice so

JOHNSON: yeah

RAFFERTY: that’s the only reason

JOHNSON: notice yours is nice and it’s a little older but

RAFFERTY: no it’s got a lotta needs a paint job and a bunch of other stuff

but


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JOHNSON: looks like it’s got a paint job on there

RAFFERTY: yeah but (laugh)

JOHNSON: you painted it

RAFFERTY: paint job from hell

JOHNSON: yeah

RAFFERTY: it’s on it’s way it’s a work in progress

JOHNSON: yeah

RAFFERTY: so who else that’s

JOHNSON: that’s who you

RAFFERTY: I mean I can’t that’s that’s all I know like I don’t think I know

anybody I mean I meet people at my gym or something but

that’s it like I don’t

JOHNSON: so do you hang out with certain like out of Joy or Terri-Lynne

or Rob do you hang out with them more

RAFFERTY: I don’t hang out with Rob like I met Rob once

JOHNSON: okay


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RAFFERTY: I don’t know Rob

JOHNSON: what about Joy do you see her a little bit or how old would she

be around

RAFFERTY: yeah she’s older than me um

JOHNSON: roughly

RAFFERTY: I’m not comfortable telling anybody about that personal

information

JOHNSON: okay well

RAFFERTY: just because I just think

JOHNSON: what about Terri-Lynne how old is she then

RAFFERTY: I don’t know nineteen (19) I think

JOHNSON: okay

RAFFERTY: I don’t know

JOHNSON: um anyone else then

RAFFERTY: not that I can like I don’t know anybody like I

JOHNSON: right


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RAFFERTY: I’ve met people but I don’t know anybody

JOHNSON: okay

RAFFERTY: like I I couldn’t give first and last names of anybody I know

because I haven’t haven’t bin friends with anybody I don’t

know anybody so

JOHNSON: so back on the eighth (8th) of April okay when the little girl

went missing uh

RAFFERTY: okay

JOHNSON: um did you follow it at all did you hear about it in the in the

news or anything like that

RAFFERTY: I heard the helicopters and stuff

JOHNSON: did ya

RAFFERTY: and that’s when I realized that some crazy stuff was going on

but

JOHNSON: right when when was the first that you heard about it like who

told you about it

RAFFERTY: the helicopters that morning and I was sleeping and I heard the

helicopter I was like holy crap and then that’s when


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everybody’s talking my mom said did you know that this

happened and then yeah

JOHNSON: it was a Wednesday ah she she went missing

RAFFERTY: oh I don’t remember what day

JOHNSON: from you know it was a Wednesday from Oliver Stephen’s up

on ah the Fyfe Ave area

RAFFERTY: um hmm

JOHNSON: do you know that area at all over by Fyfe

RAFFERTY: yeah I know where the area is

JOHNSON: okay ah that’s where she was last seen uh

RAFFERTY: um hmm

JOHNSON: around you know the three (3) thirty (30) mark or so um have

you talked to any other than Pamela…or Amanda anyone else

or have you talked to Terri-Lynne about it at all

RAFFERTY: yeah she said um people were asking her questions about it and

that um she something about I don’t know some thing

regarding like the mom was into drugs or something and I

don’t know how that whole scenario works out but


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JOHNSON: but who’s mom

RAFFERTY: the girl’s mom

JOHNSON: okay was into drugs again

RAFFERTY: yeah

JOHNSON: so similar to what you heard from

RAFFERTY: something like everybody like

JOHNSON: Amanda

RAFFERTY: I think Terri-Lynne hangs around a lot of bad people or a lot of

druggies or a lot of messed up people and they all talk and she

said the word is that you know she’s into drugs or owes a lot of

money for drugs just stupid shit like that that you hear so

JOHNSON: so what about uh Terri-Lynne would she be into drugs at all do

you know

RAFFERTY: I know that her mom is

JOHNSON: what’s her

RAFFERTY: her mom’s messed up

JOHNSON: is she


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RAFFERTY: like she’s she’s messed up

JOHNSON: like in what way like drugs

RAFFERTY: she like yeah she shoots up and she she’s messed up like it’s

it’s sad I know that Terri used to do a lot of drugs

JOHNSON: So have you bin over to her place to see that then

RAFFERTY: to see the drug yeah like my mom and I have tried to tried to

help out a bit um like when we heard when Terri got picked up

cuz Terri’s I think she’s trying to keep her mom out of like

trouble or something, I don’t really know

JOHNSON: yeah

RAFFERTY: and um so when she had to go she’s in gin Genest or Ginelle

Gegaukle (u/i) Detention Centre or whatever it is ah she’s in

there now so we tried to like we brought plants and like not

drugs plants just

JOHNSON: yeah

RAFFERTY: (laugh) plants and furniture and

JOHNSON: trying to help out


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RAFFERTY: you know offered like groceries or offered rides and stuff like

that to help

JOHNSON: right

RAFFERTY: out but you go and you show up and she’s pulling a needle out

of her arm or something it’s just

JOHNSON: so how many times have you bin over at uh Terri-Lynne’s

mom’s place

RAFFERTY: um a handful of times not like five (5) times or less something

like that

JOHNSON: do you know her first name or

RAFFERTY: Carol I think

JOHNSON: Carol okay

RAFFERTY: yeah so and I know it’s not her real mom but it’s I know there’s

every time I I stop by there there’s there’s like somebody there

screwed up outta their tree and shootin up or it’s uh

JOHNSON: when’s the last time you would of stopped by there

RAFFERTY: stopped by yesterday to see how everything went um because

Terri had court yesterday so and then it was carried on to today


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apparently um but I don’t know nothing about today I was

gonna stop by there later and then um

JOHNSON: did you go there with your mom or anyone else was there

someone else with you

RAFFERTY: no I just stopped by and somebody else was already there

JOHNSON: yeah like a a relative or a friend

RAFFERTY: (laugh) no I don’t think it’s a relative

JOHNSON: no

RAFFERTY: just a young girl

JOHNSON: okay

RAFFERTY: um

JOHNSON: that’s too bad about her situation like that then

RAFFERTY: her mom

JOHNSON: yeah

RAFFERTY: her mom’s messed up


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JOHNSON: that’s sounds like maybe Terri-Lynne then has opened up to

you as a friend then and told you about her mom

RAFFERTY: well I’m like her

JOHNSON: like her real mother

RAFFERTY: well I’m the only person she knows who doesn’t do drugs or

doesn’t you know I’m not in that group of people I guess

JOHNSON: right

RAFFERTY: so I don’t know

JOHNSON: so maybe a good thing for her that way

RAFFERTY: maybe but I’m nobody’s personal case worker (laugh)

JOHNSON: no like when would you have met her Terri-Lynne then

RAFFERTY: (pause) I don’t know exactly um

JOHNSON: like a month ago

RAFFERTY: let’s say let’s say a couple months ago maybe I met her maybe

a month and a half two (2) months about two (2) months ago

maybe

JOHNSON: like in March would it be or


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RAFFERTY: sure I don’t know exactly

JOHNSON: April

RAFFERTY: it was it was an accidental random I was at the 7 Eleven and

she was at Pizza Pizza we said hi so

JOHNSON: like would you consider her your girlfriend or

RAFFERTY: my girlfriend

JOHNSON: yeah

RAFFERTY: no (laugh)

JOHNSON: no

RAFFERTY: no I wouldn’t consider but her mom jokingly said that

yesterday surprisingly enough her mom was like ah it’s Terri-

Lynne’s boyfriend I was like I don’t think so

JOHNSON: right like is there any has there been anything between you and

Terri-Lynne uh intimately at all

RAFFERTY: we’re friend we’re friends

JOHNSON: just friends okay


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RAFFERTY: so I don’t you know that’s just her mom’s anyways

JOHNSON: because you know with the type of investigation like this we’re

getting all kinds of information

RAFFERTY: um hmm

JOHNSON: tips rumours stuff like that

RAFFERTY: um hmm

JOHNSON: okay we’re hearing the thing about the drug debts we’re

hearing all kinds of stuff different names have been ah coming

in as lookalikes

RAFFERTY: um hmm

JOHNSON: okay and we have heard Terri-Lynne’s name okay

RAFFERTY: um hmm

JOHNSON: as a person that kinda looks similar

RAFFERTY: um hmm

JOHNSON: have you watched the video

RAFFERTY: yeah I saw it


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JOHNSON: okay did you what did you think watching that video

RAFFERTY: I think

JOHNSON: did you recognize anyone at all um

RAFFERTY: no I didn’t recognize anyone no (laugh)

JOHNSON: okay

RAFFERTY: um

JOHNSON: so we’re just looking into all kinds of different things okay

RAFFERTY: um hmm

JOHNSON: um have you ever observed uh Terri-Lynne wearing any type

of uh certain jackets at all white jackets

RAFFERTY: ah I’ve seen her like she has a long dressy white one I think

JOHNSON: yeah

RAFFERTY: sometimes she has a long dressy black one

JOHNSON: yeah

RAFFERTY: those are the only two (2) coats that I know like one (1) they

sway in the wind as she walks like they’re I don’t know how to


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explain it almost like a I won’t say a business but like if you

know a guy wears a suit and he has that long overcoat

JOHNSON: right

RAFFERTY: that’s almost the type of jacket that I’ve seen and recognize

JOHNSON: okay so there’s bin a white one like that and a black one like

that

RAFFERTY: and a black one yeah

JOHNSON: anything else that you’ve seen

RAFFERTY: no

JOHNSON: okay

RAFFERTY: I mean I don’t pay attention to what she wears like we don’t

like hang out everyday (laugh) or something like

JOHNSON: do you recall around the the eighth (8th) of uh April then ah

what you were doing that day that Wednesday

RAFFERTY: I don’t know what I was doing I mean I for most of the time

I’m just in zipping around town or something and that’s about

it


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JOHNSON: yeah um so you you said you’re doing the odd jobs here and

there would you or could you have bin working maybe that day

do you know like how sporadic is that

RAFFERTY: ah a little while ago I (laugh) like the jobs are just like someone

calls me and says can you fix this I say okay like (laugh)

JOHNSON: yeah

RAFFERTY: it’s nothing really at all right now

JOHNSON: yeah

RAFFERTY: um all the good jobs that I had were you know a while ago and

I was doing dance for a while too but and that stopped for now

so

JOHNSON: what do you mean you’re doing dance

RAFFERTY: um I’m doing like a training program for dance

JOHNSON: yeah

RAFFERTY: it’s um it’s for Fred ASTAIRE

JOHNSON: okay

RAFFERTY: so they they train you but then in the end you’re an instructor

for them


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JOHNSON: yeah

RAFFERTY: um so they don’t you don’t get paid for that amount of time but

then you sign a contract and then you work for them for a year

and and whatever

JOHNSON: okay

RAFFERTY: but I don’t know what I was doing that day something

JOHNSON: no I’m just wondering if you just if you would have saw

RAFFERTY: like I’m always

JOHNSON: if you woulda saw Terri-Lynne

RAFFERTY: I’m always (u/i)

JOHNSON: around that day or like how often would you see her

RAFFERTY: I might have seen her like I don’t like I bump into her like I did

bump in up until she’s in jail I mean I bumped into her a couple

times a week here and there and and it was no more than like

you know twenty (20) minutes here or an hour there or and we

saw a movie once like

JOHNSON: like at the movie theatre you mean


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RAFFERTY: yeah in town here and that was that was it

JOHNSON: okay

RAFFERTY: um I’ve given her rides a lot or

JOHNSON: like where would you take her

RAFFERTY: stuff for her mom like the bank or Zellers or um like her mom

needed prescriptions and stuff so get her ta would go pick up

all her mom’s stuff and go to the bank or go get groceries or

things like that

JOHNSON: is this all local have you ever gone to London or anywhere

RAFFERTY: with her

JOHNSON: yeah with Terri-Lynne

RAFFERTY: no I’ve never gone to London with her

JOHNSON: or out of the town at all

RAFFERTY: no I’ve never gone anywhere with her

JOHNSON: you’ve never gone anywhere

RAFFERTY: no not with Terri


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JOHNSON: no

RAFFERTY: like unless we went to like shopping one day or something

JOHNSON: well just think about it just take your time

RAFFERTY: (pause) I can’t remember I think we might of we might of gone

shopping I don’t I don’t know we might have gone shopping

JOHNSON: whereabouts you think

RAFFERTY: well I go to London to shop at the mall like

JOHNSON: yeah how long ago would that have bin

RAFFERTY: I don’t I don’t know like I can’t even think like that we did

JOHNSON: what do you go to a mall when you usually go or you go

RAFFERTY: yeah

JOHNSON: to a certain store which mall

RAFFERTY: Masonville or ah or White Oaks

JOHNSON: have you ever gone shopping with any other girl from here then

RAFFERTY: with any other girl from here


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JOHNSON: yeah in the last few couple months

RAFFERTY: um (pause) no I haven’t brought my mom out shopping once

haven’t picked anybody up from here I don’t think I don’t

know I really don’t I can’t pinpoint I can’t say no for sure like I

probably could I just can’t say no for sure because I I might be

lying then if I said that but I can’t say yes for sure either

JOHNSON: right

RAFFERTY: so it’s possible

JOHNSON: possible

RAFFERTY: yeah

JOHNSON: okay (pause) just gonna throw some other names at ya

RAFFERTY: um hmm

JOHNSON: James GORIS he’s the ah the boyfriend to Tara MCDONALD

the mother of Victoria STAFFORD

RAFFERTY: I (u/i)

JOHNSON: or a Kevin POMMER you know a Kevin

RAFFERTY: no


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JOHNSON: you don’t know that name either

RAFFERTY: no

JOHNSON: um Jamie DAGENAIS ever heard of that name

RAFFERTY: no

JOHNSON: no so really your group of associates or people you know in

town is very limited there would you say

RAFFERTY: yeah

JOHNSON: um and Joy you don’t you haven’t said too much about her

RAFFERTY: no like I said I just don’t know where that’s (u/i)

JOHNSON: ah and Amanda you you knew her a little bit obviously right

RAFFERTY: a little bit like we we went out bowling once her and I met her

mom once um apparently we

JOHNSON: did you meet her daughter then too

RAFFERTY: no

JOHNSON: no

RAFFERTY: no I never met her daughter


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JOHNSON: but you met her mom

RAFFERTY: yeah I met her mom I met her sister

JOHNSON: okay um what about Terri-Lynne’s associates you know any of

them at all

RAFFERTY: no but funny you ask that one of the guys one of the guys that

she knows I was at Canadian Tire buying a light bulb and uh he

came up to me outta nowhere and said hey and I turned around

this guy with these like red bloodshot eyes he’s like how’s

Terri and I I was sketched up by that I had no idea who he was

and I was like uh I don’t know and he’s like well don’t you

visit her and I’m like I ah yeah but I don’t know anything about

you I’m sorry and so I just kinda went about my business he

scared the shit outta me and then um when I asked ah Carol

who that could possibly be because I said some guy came up to

me and how would he know me I think his name was um Brian

I think or Brad Brad or Brian she said and that he’s gonna get

his ass beaten up for something

JOHNSON: what’s he look like

RAFFERTY: he’s tall and skinny and short hair that’s messy and I think he

mighta had a moustache and he’s really fucked up looking like

JOHNSON: so when he came up to you he seemed to know you then


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RAFFERTY: yeah

JOHNSON: but you never met him before

RAFFERTY: I don’t know who he was I had no idea who this guy

JOHNSON: well how do you think how did he recognize you

RAFFERTY: was I don’t know if he seen seen me around or I don’t know

JOHNSON: recognized your car or what

RAFFERTY: I don’t know I don’t know

JOHNSON: huh (u/i)

RAFFERTY: I don’t know maybe I don’t know

JOHNSON: you said you’ve bin over Carol’s and driving er around or

RAFFERTY: um hmm

JOHNSON: driving them around maybe he saw ya in the vehicle or

RAFFERTY: maybe

JOHNSON: but


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RAFFERTY: I don’t know I don’t know so he just kinda threw me for a

whirlwind I was like well

JOHNSON: yeah

RAFFERTY: you know the guy was scary enough I mean everybody in this

town is no offence like well you’re not from here

JOHNSON: no

RAFFERTY: the people in here are pretty scary

JOHNSON: yeah any of the other associates at all of friends of hers or

Carol’s

RAFFERTY: um met a girl with big breasts (laugh) I don’t know her name

um the only reason I’m saying big breast is because before I

was introduced to her I was told that her breasts are now huge

and it’s the first thing I noticed but I didn’t I don’t remember

her name

JOHNSON: where was she at the house Carol’s house

RAFFERTY: no um I picked her up for Terri one day I don’t remember what

day but I picked her up and she got in the car and I dropped her

off and that was it

JOHNSON: how old would she be around Terri’s age or


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RAFFERTY: maybe maybe a bit older I don’t know

JOHNSON: what about a Kayla (ph) or Katelynn (ph) or you don’t know

that person

RAFFERTY: mm mm I don’t know any of these well I met her neighbour

(u/i) blonde headed girl I met her neighbour like once or twice

I don’t know her name though

JOHNSON: is that like right next door

RAFFERTY: yeah

JOHNSON: or across the road

RAFFERTY: no right next door

JOHNSON: okay

RAFFERTY: like their houses are attached

JOHNSON: okay do you know her name at all or

RAFFERTY: no

JOHNSON: no

RAFFERTY: I know that she has a kid with Autism and Terri-Lynne babysat

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JOHNSON: okay

RAFFERTY: I don’t I don’t know anybody

JOHNSON: yeah anything else you can think of there Mike or

RAFFERTY: (pause) no I really don’t know anybody

JOHNSON: okay

RAFFERTY: so

(sound of door opening)

JOHNSON: (to background) hello

MURPHY: (in background) hi there

RAFFERTY: that’s my mom

JOHNSON: (to background) oh okay we’re just talking to your son here

MURPHY: (in background) okay all right

JOHNSON: okay anything else you wanna add

RAFFERTY: um (pause)


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JOHNSON: I know it’s kinda short notice here we just came in and

RAFFERTY: I don’t really need notice anyway (laugh)

JOHNSON: yeah but

RAFFERTY: but I don’t know (u/i) I don’t know anybody here so

JOHNSON: yeah that’s no problem

RAFFERTY: and how my name’s coming up I don’t don’t know because I

know two (2) people you know who I’ve actually talked to who

are you know questionable people and it’s Terri-Lynne and her

mom so

JOHNSON: well that’s the thing they tell someone else and they tell you

know what I mean how it gets going

RAFFERTY: um hmm

JOHNSON: we’ve talked to hundreds and hundreds of people

RAFFERTY: um hmm

JOHNSON: so it just kinda keeps on going out like that

RAFFERTY: um hmm

JOHNSON: so that’s how it goes so


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RAFFERTY: um hmm

JOHNSON: that’s how you know your name came up

RAFFERTY: yeah well

JOHNSON: you have any problem if maybe we you know if ya think of

something later I know your mom just arrived home maybe we

could talk and or meet again or something like that and just

give you a little more notice

RAFFERTY: um hmm

JOHNSON: okay that’s perfect I got a time of seven (7) thirty-three (33)

P.M. we’ll conclude this interview

RAFFERTY: yeah

INTERVIEW CONCLUDED

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