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DaveAsprey: You'relisteningtoBulletproofRadiowithDaveAsprey.Today'scoolfactofthedayisthatMSisabouttobeimminentlyhackable,andthat'sbecausetheUniversityofWisconsinresearchersjustnoticedthatUVblockingsunscreensspecificallythosecontainingsomethingcalledsalicylicacidesters,thiswouldbesomethingrelatedtoaspirin,ledtoareductionoreliminationofMSsymptomsinmice.Isn'titkindofinterestingthatthiscombinationofUVlightonthesunscreenitselfcreatedeffectsrelatedtolighttriggersformationofthesecompoundsinyourcells?Evenifwedon'tknowrightawaythatthisisgoingtosolveMS,thefactthatwe'reunderstandingtheinteractionoflightincompoundsinourcellsasahugevariableforMS,eveninamousemodel,it'stellingusit'sthefoodweeat,it'sthelightinourenvironmentandit'salltheseotherthingsthatcometogethertocauseneurodegeneration.

IntheflipsideofMS,andthereasonyoureadsomuchaboutMSinHeadStrongisthatwhenwelookatAlzheimer's,MultipleSclerosisandotherdiseasesofthenervoussystemwhenyoudotheoppositeofthosethingstomakethenervoussystemstronger,tosupporttheinsulationaroundyournerves,whichcomesfromfood,whichcomesfromlifestyle,whichcomesfromlight,thosethingsarereallypowerful.Seeingresearchlikethiscomeoutwherethemainstreamisnowlookingattheeffectoflightonourcells,onourbrainsthatmakesmehappyandgivesmegreathope.Today'sguestontheshowisparticularlycool.Andtoday'sepisodeisrecordedalloverBulletproofLabs,soyoumighthearthesoundchangealittlebitthat'sbecausewe'remakingsomeBulletproofCoffee,andthereasonhereisthatI'vegotEricEdmeadesfromWildFitandGordyBalfromCTRwithus.

AndEricisoneofthetruepioneersoffoodandhealthrevolutionthatwe'reinthemiddleof.WhenhestartedWildFit,hegotreallypassionateabouthelpingpeopleachieveandexperienceoutstandinghealth,andstartedlookingatevolutionarybiologyandwhatweusedtoeatthousandsandevenmillionsofyearsago.Hegotstartedbecausein1991,hehadareallydramatichealthturningpointand,likeme,wentthroughyearsofresearch.Hestudiedhealth,biology,humanhistoryandcameupwithasystemthatencouragesyoutothinkaboutwhatyoueatbeforeyoueatit.Andevenwhatyoudobeforeyouthinkaboutwhatyou'regoingtoeat,andthenwhattoeat,whichisreallycool.Wehavefascinatingconversationsaboutallkindsofstufflikethat.AndalsoherewithustodayisGordyBal,whodescribeshimselfasanalchemist,avisionary,asocialentrepreneur,aninvestor,aphilanthropist,andfounderofConsciousThoughtRevolution,soyou'llhearGordythroughouttheepisodeaswell,whenwetalkaboutsomethings,particularlyaroundraisingconsciouskidsandthingslikethat.

Welcometotoday'sepisodeit'sfascinating,it'sfun,anditwasreallycooltobeabletorecordthislivehereatBulletproofLabshereonVancouverIsland.Tuneintotheshow,listentothewholething,you'regoingtolearnalot,andyou'regonnahearfromEricandGordy.Welcomeguys.

GordyBal: Cool.

EricEdmeades: Thanksverymuchgladtobehere.

GordyBal: Thanks,Dave.ThisistheepitomeofaConsciousThoughtRevolution.EricEdmeadesonthedriveallthewayuphere,I'mlike,"Youknow,yougottahavesomeBulletproofCoffee."He'slike,"Nochanceinhell!It'sbeen20yearsandIhaven'thadcoffee."Andhe-

EricEdmeades: Ididn'tsay,"NochanceinHell."Ijustsaid"No."

GordyBal: Okay.Closeenough.Drama.Itlookslikewe'regoingtoactuallyhavehimtrysomeBulletproofCoffee.

EricEdmeades: Justforbackgroundsake,I...caffeinedoesn'treallyreactwellforme,butIalsorecognizethatitdoeshaveapurposeinthelife-hackworld,inthebio-hackworld.Butthereallycoolthingaboutthisiswe'reonVancouverIslandtheverylastbitofcaffeinethatIeverhadwithintent,I'msureit'ssnuckintomylifehereandthere,butthelasttimeIeverhadacoffeeoracokeoranythinglikethatwasrighthereonVancouverIslandin1987,1988.

DaveAsprey: Wow.

EricEdmeades: Hereweare,backagain.

DaveAsprey: Fullcircle.Well,I'mhonoredthatyou'reevenwillingtotryit.Andthere'sacouplethingsgoingon.Oneisyou'realmostcertainlyapoorcaffeinemetabolizer.It'sageneticmutation.Some[crosstalk…].

EricEdmeades: Alright,Ididn'tknowwe'regonnainsulteachotherhere.

DaveAsprey: Imeanit...Ididn'tsayitwasabadmutation,butit'sjustonethatmakesyouweakerthantherestofus.

EricEdmeades: Iseewherethisisgoing.

DaveAsprey: No,whatthatmeansthoughisthatforyou,amoderateamountofcoffeeisthemostyou'dwanttodo.AndifyoustayedupfortwodaysthelasttimeyouhadaRedBull,it'sbecauseyourbodywaslike,“Ican'tgetridofthis.Myliverdoesn'tprocessthisverywell,sowe'regonnahavealittlebitforyou.”Andwhatcaffeinedoesisitdoubles[inaudible]production,justamoderateamountofcaffeine.Andwe'regonnaputBrainOctanein,soyourbodyisgonnageta

burstofketones,andyou'llgetsomeofthepolyphenolsthathappeninsidecoffee.AndwhenyoublendBulletproofCoffeeitchangesthewaterintosomethingthat...Normallythewaterwedrinkiscalledbulkwalter.Andthenourcellsconvertthewaterintobiologicallyactivewater,calledexclusionzonewater.AndwhenweblendtheBulletproofCoffeethatgetsmade,soyou'llgetabumpinketonesfromit.Butwe'renotgonnagiveyouenoughtoputyouthroughthemoonorkeepyouupallnight.

EricEdmeades: Look,ifIwakeupinBangkok,ifIwakeupinBangkok…I'mdoingaFacebookLiveandtellingeverybodywhathappened.

DaveAsprey: Alright,that'stotallyfair.You'llhavethatMikeTysontattoowhere[crosstalk…].

EricEdmeades: Andatigerinmyroom.

DaveAsprey: Exactly.You'vebeentheretoo.Gordyisthereeveryweekend.

GordyBal: EveryweekendwithMikeTyson.And-

EricEdmeades: Andit'sahomecomingagain,becauseIusedtobesoterrifiedofpublicspeakingthatitwouldmakemewanttovomit.Imeanreally.

DaveAsprey: Wow.

EricEdmeades: ButIhadajobhereinVictoria,whereIhadtospeakinfrontof100peopleeverysingleweek.AndIdon'tknowhowIsurvivedthat.Ihavenoidea.Butit'snicetobeabletocomebackand...likealittlebitofahomecoming,I'lldosomedrugs,I'llgodoapresentation.

DaveAsprey: [crosstalk]

GordyBal: Well,you-

DaveAsprey: We'regonnacallthiscaffeinemicrodosingforyou.Alittlebit,okay.

EricEdmeades: We'lltakeitmediumseriously.

DaveAsprey: Alright.Goodtimes.

EricEdmeades: ButI'lltakeyouradvice.

DaveAsprey: Okay.

GordyBal: Afteryourevent,wedidasurveyandwesaid,"WhowouldyouliketobringtoVictoria?"AndthenumberoneresponsewasTonyRobbins,sowedidn'tbringyouTonyRobbins,butwehavetwoTonyRobbins’speakers.

DaveAsprey: That'sright,we'vebothbeenonTony'sstage,whichiscool.

EricEdmeades: Wehave.

GordyBal: Andyoudoakickass-impression.Canyoudoit?

EricEdmeades: Oh,comeonnow,youhavetogivemeacontext.I'lltellyouwhatyourcryogenicslike,thetank-hewastellingaboutthatonedayandhereallywaslike,"Yougottadoit,man.Yougottadoit.It'ssogood."

DaveAsprey: You'veneverdonecryotherapy?

EricEdmeades: Never.Never.Never.

DaveAsprey: Oh,it'sgonnabetwofirsttimesforyou.It'sreally...yougetthishugeendorphinrushafterwards.It'sreallycool.

EricEdmeades: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,Tonyhasoneinhishotelroom,whichisjustamazingandawesome.

EricEdmeades: Man,haveyounoticedthatwhenyougoonstageathisevents?Theywarnedmetheygo...becauseIshowupinshorts…

DaveAsprey: Cold.Yeah.

EricEdmeades: ...andlike...they...hedoesn'tusethehotel'scoolingsystem.Hebringsairconditioningtrucks,soIwouldn'tbesurprisedtofindoutthathesleepsinthecryotank.

DaveAsprey: Hedefinitelyspendssometimeinahyperbarictankwithicebags,becausethatmanhassomuchjustrawenergyinhisbodythathethrowsoffheat.It'sfascinating.Youseehimonstageandhe'sjust...Tomoveenergyfrom15,000peopleI...Untilyousitthereandseeit,evenhismoviedoesn'tdoitjustice.You'relike"Wow."I'veneverseenmoreenergyinahuman,soI...

EricEdmeades: No,Igetit.Ido.IhaveprogramswhereI'monstagefor12to15hoursaday,fivedaysinarow,andthebestthingIwanttodoafterthatiscoldwater.Idon'tquitedoice,butitreally...IsleepsomuchbetterwhenIdothat.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,itmattersforrecovery.Solet'sgetyouaBulletproofCoffee,shallwe?

EricEdmeades: Let'sdoit.

DaveAsprey: Alright,whatI'mgoingtodohere...Oh,theotherthingIdidn'tmentionBulletproofCoffeebeansarefreeofmoldtoxins,theseareshowninmultiplestudiestoinhibitmitochondrialfunction.Thisisoneofthereasonsforme-

EricEdmeades: Arethesethesamekindsofmoldtoxinslikepeanuts,cashews,thatkindofthing?

DaveAsprey: They'resimilar,orevenjustenvironmentalmold.Forme,Ilivedinamoldyhouse,whichcontributedtomyobesity.Itpoisonsyourmitochondria.Mitochondriaarebacteria,andwehavetheseancientbacteriainourbody.Theancientenemyofbacteriaismold.That'swhereantibioticscomefrom,sodifferentpeopleresponddifferently.ButIcannotdrinknormalcoffee.That'swhyIcreatedmybeans,becausewhenIdrinkitI'mlike...Ireallydon'thandleitwell,soI'mkindofafraidofcoffee.ButIlovecoffeeandthatledtothegenesisoftheBulletproofprocess.So,you'regettingcoffee,thathopefullywon'tcausesuchastrongreactionforyou.Weshallsee.

EricEdmeades: Weshallsee.

GordyBal: Fortherecord,I'msensitivetoo,butwithBulletproofIdon'tgetthatcrash.

DaveAsprey: Thecrash,yeahIdon'tgetthecrashthiswayeither.

EricEdmeades: No,it'snoteven...Idon'tevengetthat.Whathappensformeis,ifIhavecaffeinetwoorthreedaysinarowthenIgetheadacheslikethat.ThenI'monthecaffeinerollercoaster.It'sidealmarketing.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.Youcan'tdumpitfromyoursystemveryeffectively.Soforyou,you'relikeadecafkindofguy,alittlebitofchocolateorsomething,butnotalot.Andyoudon'thavetohaveany.Alittlebitthoughmightbegood.

EricEdmeades: We'regonnadoit.

DaveAsprey: Justthefirstone.Firstone'sfree.

EricEdmeades: We'regonnadoshots,yeah.Just...He'sadealer.Youhearthis?He'sadealer.He'slike,"Comeon,justone.Firstone'sfree."Yeah,youseeI'mbacknextweek.AndI'mcampedoutinatent,"Comeonmore,Dave.Ineedmore."

DaveAsprey: Whatwe'regonnadohereis...There'sacouplewaysofmakingcoffeeforyou.Ioftentimesdoanespressoatlunchtime,butI'mgonnadoa[BrewCoded]systemforyou.Everyaspectofbrewingthecoffeeisdigitallycontrolledanddesignedbyoneofthetopcoffeeexpertsintheworld,togetrightflavorfromthecoffee,soI'mgonnadoitrightforyou.We'llsee-

EricEdmeades: Soundsgood.

DaveAsprey: ...We'llselectit.NormallyI'daskyouifyoulikealighterordarkerroast,butyouprobablyhavenoidea,soI'mgonnapickamediumroast,whichismyfavorite,calledTheMentalisthere.

EricEdmeades: Alright.

DaveAsprey: AndI'mgonnaweighouttherightamountforthecoffeeaccordingtoJohn.Now,thebirthplaceofcoffeeisoneofyourfavoriteplaces,Africa.

EricEdmeades: Yes.

DaveAsprey: AndIconsidercoffeetobeoneofmothernature’soriginalsmartdrugs.Andit'stotallydifferenttosay"Idrinkcoffee"than"Ihavecaffeine."Idon'tusecaffeinepills,andaddingcaffeinetoawholebunchofbeverages[inaudible],it'sdifferent.It'snotawholeplantcompound.There'sthousandsofthingsincoffeeincludingpolyphenolsthataffectus.Werequirepolyphenolstoprocesslightandfoodinourenvironment.I'mgonnagrindthisupforyou.

GordyBal: Ishedoingit?

EricEdmeades: He'sdoingit.

DaveAsprey: Well,herewego,guys.Wegottheblender.Thedrugsareout,andmaybeIwillpourthisrighthere,whereyouguyscanseeit,24grams,soIuseadrugscale.

EricEdmeades: Ah,but...

DaveAsprey: I'mactuallyhonoredthatyou'regonnagiveitatry.

EricEdmeades: I'mwilling.AndI'lltellyouabigpartofwhyisthat...there'sacoupleofreasons.One,isI'mverymuchawarethatsomeofthethingsthatweregardasbadarebadbecauseofthewaythey'reproduced,orbecauseofthewaytheyareused.Youknow,Ithink,weweretalkingalittlebitaboutNicotine,weturnitintothisvillainsubstance-whenmaybetherearepurposesoutsideofsuckingitinwithabunchofothercarcinogenicproducts.

DaveAsprey: Burningstuffandbreathingit,potortobacco,it'sjustbadforyou.

EricEdmeades: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Andtobaccoitselfwhenit'sfermentedusuallymakesmoldtoxins.Itcontainsuranium,thatattracts...Tobaccoisnotaveryhealthyplantforus.Whenyouusethenicotinefromtobacco,there'sagroupofpeoplecalledtheTobacconeros,andit'saformofshamanismlikeanAyahuascaguy,buttheyusedosesofnicotinethatwouldkillmostpeople.

EricEdmeades: ImayknowsomebodywhodidanAyahuascaexperienceandhadnicotinewiththat.Imayknowsomebodyratherwell,thatdidthat.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.Andit...Ifyouwannapurge,man,drinkingnicotineteaortobaccoteaisahorrifyingexperience,fromwhatI'veheard.I'veactuallynevertried.I'mnot

planningonit.ButI've,sortof,writtenabigarticleabout,lookhere'swhatnicotinedoestotellyourbodytoexpressmitochondria,likeyou'vebeenexercisingbutneverhavesmoked.Ismokedhalfacigaronceinmymid-20sandfeltcrappyfromitandcoughedfortwodays.

GordyBal: Butdidyouinhale?

EricEdmeades: Well,hewastherewithBillClinton,ofcourse…

DaveAsprey: Yeah,Iwaslike,"Oh,myGod,Ireallylikethiscigar."

EricEdmeades: Doyouknow,IhadasimilarexperiencewhenIwasakid?About15or16,Idesperatelywantedtolearnhowtoblowsmokerings.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.

EricEdmeades: Ismokedabouthalfapackofcigarettes-

DaveAsprey: Oh,comeon.

EricEdmeades: ...blowingsmokerings,andIfeltsohorribleandsosickthatIwasnevertemptedtosmokeagain.

DaveAsprey: Alotofparentsusedtodothatwithkids,like,"Oh,youwannasmoke,here.Justkeepsmoking,"keepsmokingandyougetthatprogrammingthatsaysifyoudothatagain,you'regonnawanttodie.

EricEdmeades: Thatworksreallywellwithsmoking,anditworksreallywellwithalcohol.Itdoesnotworksowellwithweed.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.Yeah.No,it's"Weneedmorepizza."Sonow,Igottaaskyouthisifyoudon'thandlecaffeinewell,howdoespotaffectyouassomethingyou'vetried?

EricEdmeades: Assuming,theoretically.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.

EricEdmeades: No,youknowwhat,Ifoundsomethinginteresting.IquitalcoholwhenIwas21.LivinghereinBCIhadmy...Idranktoomuchonenight,Igotsick,andImadethatdealwithGod,youknowtheone,"IfonlyIcouldfeelbetter,I'llneverdrinkagain,"andthenIdidn't.Atthesametime,Ialsostoppedusingpot,atthatstage.

ButgrowingupinBC,therewasalwaysthatalcoholorpotquestion.IfoundthatalcoholmademedostuffIregretted,andmademefeellikecrapthenextday.Andpotsimplymademusicsoundgood,andmadefoodtastegreat,andmadesexfabulous,andIfeltgoodthenextday.AndtheonlydistinctionIfound

wasyearslater,tryingagainwithoutalltheangstofbeingateenagerwaswaydifferent.AndsoIjusthadaruleinmylifeatthatstageitjustsaid,"IonlydothiswhenI'minahighestvibrationplace.Ionlydothiswheneverythingisright,"becauseasakidthatparanoidangstthatpeopletalkabout,itcameoutoftherebeingthingswrong.ButIdon'tfeelany...I'veneverfeltanythingnegativefromit,excepttheoddtimeasakid,goingwaytoofar.

DaveAsprey: It'sfunnybecauseweallhavedifferentneurochemistry.Andforyou,it'sprettyclearthathavingalotofcaffeineforyouisnotgonnawork.Potisjust...youhavelotsoffriends.Itreallydoesgoodthingsforthebrain.There'scannabinoidreceptorsinthebody.But,man,thatisjustnotsomethingthatworksforme.I'vetrieditenoughtimestogo,"Thatisn'twhatworksformyneurochemistry."Andunderstandingthatdifferentpeoplehavefoodvariations.Youmaylovebellpeppers.Forme,IhavejointpainforaweekifIeatonebiteofbellpepper,andtheycouldbereallygoodforyouandbadforme,andit'smitochondrial.The-

EricEdmeades: Iwonderaboutthat-

GordyBal: Individual,Ithink.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.

EricEdmeades: ...because...DoyouknowSteveGundry?

DaveAsprey: Yeah,he'safriend.He'sbeenonthepodcast.

EricEdmeades: Yeah,soImethimyearsago,funnyenough,throughTony.AndIhadwrittenanarticleyearsagoabout-

DaveAsprey: [inaudible]

EricEdmeades: ...plantdefenses.Youmightknow,you'veprobablyread,“ClimbingMountainImprobable.”AfterreadingthatbookIwaslike,"Wow!"Ilovethemetaphoroftheimprobableheightsofevolutiontheeye,thebody,whatever.Butwhatstruckmeis...AndIwroteanarticlewaybackthencalled“TheTwinPeaksofImprobability”andthatwasthatthesethingsonlyhappen,atleast,inpairs.Youdon'tendupwiththefastestantelopewithoutthefastestcheetah.Itjustdoesn'thappen.Ithinkthatthereasonthatyouhavetheissuewithbellpepperisthathumanshavetheissuewithbellpeppers.I'mnotsayingthatit'sthatharshwithallhumans,butIdothinkthattherearesomeplantsthatwehavenotevolvedthecapacitytoprocessproperly.

DaveAsprey: Ormaybe-

EricEdmeades: AndI'dputbellpeppersinthatcategory.

DaveAsprey: Andit'spossiblethattherearesomepeopleinsomepartsoftheworldwho'veeatenthemforenoughgenerationsthatthepeoplewhogotautoimmuneinflationfromthemdiedout,sotheytoleratethembetter.Butformeunderstanding,lookplantsdon'twantyoutoeattheirbabies.Theycan’trunaway,sotheyusepoisonsandbarbsandspines,andeverythingwantstoeatplants-bugs,animals…

EricEdmeades: Otherplants.

DaveAsprey: ...bacteria,fungus.Evencaffeineandallthecolorplantstrongcompoundsincoffeeandteaandallthat.It'stheretokeepbugsfromeatingit,right?

EricEdmeades: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: You'vegottounderstandyourmitochondrialbiology,andjustacceptthefactthatsomeonenexttoyoumightabsolutelylovepotatoesandit'sgoodforthem,butforyouthey'reruinous.It'sweird,eveninmyfamily,mysonislikeme.Onebiteofpotato,whichisanightshaderelatedtobellpeppers,bothofusgetupperbackpain.Youwantamassageandachiropractorforaweek,anditreallysucks.IhadthispainmywholelifebecauseIdidn'tknow.Mydaughterhasslightlydifferentgenes.Shecantoleratepotatoes,andshelikesthemandnopainwhatsoever.It'ssoindividualyougottatestthesethings.

EricEdmeades: I'mwith...Here'smythoughtonthisthough.Whenwelookatatongue-

DaveAsprey: Butter.

GordyBal: That'sit?

DaveAsprey: Grass-fedbutter.Well,we'regonnasharethisthreeways.Youwantalittlebitmore?Wecandomore.

GordyBal: Yeah,absolutely.

DaveAsprey: Alright.Makeitextracreamyforyou.

EricEdmeades: Whenwelookattimeframesoneoftheproblemsisalotoftimespeople-

DaveAsprey: [inaudible]

EricEdmeades: ...Alotoftimespeoplearemeasuringwhethersomethingisgoodorbadforthembasedontheimmediateresponse,likelactoseintoleranceorsomethinglikethat-orglutenintolerance.And,Iguess,myviewisthatsomeofthattestingisonlyabouttheimmediacy,andit'salittlelikekillingthecanaryinthecoalmine.It'slike“I'mgonnatakeoutthegluten,andmakethisnothurtmeanymore,butthat'snotgonnamakeitgoodforme.”

DaveAsprey: Thereyougo.Weareterribleeventcorrelationmachines.We'regreatatifyousmackyourselfintheface,ithurts.

EricEdmeades: Immediacy.

DaveAsprey: Butifsomeonesmackedyouinthefaceandaweeklaterithurt,you'dbelike"myfacehurtstodayandthenwonderwhy,”eventhoughyoumighteventuallydrawthoseconnections.

Mydegreeisindecisionsupportsystems,whichisasubsetofartificialintelligence,andmywholecareerinSiliconValleywasbuiltaroundeventcorrelationandcomplexsystems.AndwhenIrealizedthatglutenonFridaynightcausedmassivecravingsonMonday,butnotonSundayorSaturday,thatwasahugewake-upcallforme.Youdon'tdoitbecauseyoudon'tlikehowyou'regonnafeellater.

EricEdmeades: Yeah,you'vetappedintoabigpartofwhatWildFit'sabout.It'sabout...Wehavethisthingcalledthefoodtimelineanditrunsfrom-

DaveAsprey: Iloveit.

EricEdmeades: ...beforeyoumadethedecisiontoeatit,tothreedayslater.

DaveAsprey: Iloveitthatyou'rethinkingbeforeyoudecide.

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IwouldsubmitthatBulletproofCoffeeisbasicallyapreconditioningthing.Ifyoudothisinthemorning,oratleastBrainOctaneOil,evenwithouttheBulletproof,thatyou'rechangingsomeofthosehardwarehormones,sothatwhenyoumakeadecisiontoeatsomethinglater,atleastyourbodyisn'tfeelinglikeyou'regonnadieifyoudon'teatit.Anditmightmakethedecisioneasier.

Alrightsowe'veblendedthisup…

EricEdmeades: IdoknowthatsomeofWildFitclientshavebeenknowntosneakthisstuffintotheirWildFitsmoothies.Iamawareofthatandweeventuallyapprovedthatbehavior.

DaveAsprey: Nice.

Well,evenTonyRobinshastalkedabouthow...andI'msayinghe'sbeenpublicaboutit,wherehesaysBrainOctaneishisfavorite.AndwhenIgothere,somanyofhiscrewandcastandpeopleareusingBulletproof,orthey'reusingBrainOctaneorsomecombinationoftheabovebecauseitreally...theylikehowtheyfeel.Right,youwannamakethatenergy.Sowhichofthesehastheleastamountinit?Ithinkit'sthisone.

GordyBal: Itlookslikethisone,yeah.

DaveAsprey: Alright,sowe'regonnahavea...thisisathirdofacupofcoffeeforyou.Ready?

GordyBal: Can-

DaveAsprey: Alright,thisisanepic,historicmoment.Alright.

EricEdmeades: Okay.Ifmyfather'swatchingthisisamajorproblem.ThiswouldbelikeI'mhavingaslipinAAterms.

DaveAsprey: Oh,no.

EricEdmeades: I'mgonnahaveanintentionalslipherewiththisherethirdofacupof...don'tIdon'twannatalkaboutit.

DaveAsprey: It'sgrass-fedbutter.

EricEdmeades: It'sbutter.Andsoherewego.

DaveAsprey: Alright.

EricEdmeades: Areyouready?

DaveAsprey: Cheers.

EricEdmeades: Cheers,thankyouverymuch.Cheersguys.

DaveAsprey: Cheers,Gordy.

GordyBal: Wow.

EricEdmeades: Istilldon'tlikecoffee.

DaveAsprey: Holdon,didyoujustgettaller?

GordyBal: Hedid.

EricEdmeades: Didyougetsmaller?

Iwannaacknowledgebothofyouguysforobviouslyyou,makingthetimetoday,andyoucomingupwithme.Andreally,thisismyexploration.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,that'sfine.

GordyBal: I'mreallygladIdid.

DaveAsprey: AndI'mhonoredthatyoujusttriedit.Iunderstandwhatabigdealitis.

EricEdmeades: Itisabigdeal.Andyoucreatedanenvironmentwherethere'sahighdegreeoftrust,andsoI'min.We'regonna...LikeIsaidifIwakeupinBangkok,we'regonnahaveaproblem.

GordyBal: Littledoesheknowwhat'sreallyinit.

DaveAsprey: [crosstalk]

EricEdmeades: Yeah,thisisgonnabelikethe...YouknowhowTheBeatlesfirstdidacid?Theywereapparently...AsIheardthestory,theywereattheirdentist'shouseforadinnerparty,andheputacidintheirtea.

DaveAsprey: Oh,God.

EricEdmeades: Canyouimagine?

DaveAsprey: Thatwouldnot...

EricEdmeades: AtleastIknowwhatI'mdoing.Ish.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.Thatwouldnotbeokay.I'veneverintentionallydruggedanyonewithBulletproofCoffee.ImighthavedrizzledsomeBrainOctaneonsomefood,andpeopleeatitandthey'relike…

EricEdmeades: Yeah,that'ssaladdressing.

DaveAsprey: ..."Whyisthissogood?"There'sareason.

EricEdmeades: Cool.

DaveAsprey: ThatmessageforpeoplewhoaredoingWildFit,thatyoudon'thavetodrinkcoffee,Ithinkthere'sagoodargumentforit-ifitworksforyou!Butifitdoesn’tworkforyou...There'slotsofpeoplelike,"Ican'tevendrinkBulletproofbeans,"andthat'scool.ButifyoudogetsomeBrainOctaneinthere,itisaveryunusualkindoffat.Itisn'tfoundinnaturebyitself,inits5%ofcoconutoil,butwhenyoutakeitlikethis,ithasdifferentbiologicaleffects.Imeanyou'vedoneyourownresearchandifit'sapprovedonyourprogram,it'sapproved.AndIappreciatethat,butIfeelgoodaboutit,andIdon'tknowanyonewhodoespoorlyonasmallamountofit.

EricEdmeades: I'mreallyclear.Asifweweretalkingearlier,Ithinkthatveryoftenthereareanumberofflawsinthedietspace.Andoneoftheflawsisauthorsregurgitatingstuff,andgettingsotrappedintobeingrightaboutstuff.AndI'veneverwantedtofallintothattrap.AsIsaidbefore,it'ssomethingI'vealwaysadmiredabout

yourapproachtostuff.I'vealwaysadmiredthataboutTimFerriss'approach.It'slike,"No,I'mnotgonnajusttakewhatI'mtold.I'mgonnaresearchandsoon."

DaveAsprey: Ithurtstodowhatyou'retold.WhenIweighed300poundsitwaslike,Iameating1,800to2,000calories.IamworkingouteverydayandI'mnotsneakingaSnickersbareveryfiveminutes-andI'mnotlosingweight.Andmydoctorwaslike,"No,you'resneakingaSnickersbar."Andyou'relike,"Howaboutthis,you'refired!"Right,becauseitdoesn'twork.Buttospend18monthsexhaustingyourself,workingoutsixdaysaweektodothat,atacertainpointyou'relike,wait,I'mjustnotgoingtotrustbecauseofthiskindofbehavior.AndIdon'tthinkit'smostlypeoplemakingaconsciousdecisiontodothat.It'sonethingifyou'reMonsantoorsomething,butit'sanotherthingifyou'retrappedinthecognitiveloopthere,whereyousortofhavetoberight.Thenyoumakeawholebunchofmicrodecisionsthatemergeinpeoplebeingtoldtodothingsthatdon'twork.Eventhoughtheintentwasgood,theoutcomesweren'tmeasurableasworking.

EricEdmeades: Now,haveyouseenthatCanadianguythatwasbeinginterviewedby[Kanel]onTVaboutglyphosate.

DaveAsprey: Glyphosate.

EricEdmeades: Idon'tevenwannalearnhowtosayit-buthewasbeinginterviewedaboutit.Andhewasactuallybeinginterviewedaboutgoldenrice,GMOandwhatnot.

DaveAsprey: Right.Right.

EricEdmeades: Andhe'snotalobbyist,buthe'sashill.Andsointheinterview,theFrenchguysays,"WhataboutthesecasesofcancerinArgentinafromglyphosate?"Andhesays,"Idon'tbelievethatitcausescancer.Infact,thisstuff'sperfectlysafe."Andtheguyislike,"Well,wouldyouliketodrinkaglassofit?Wehavesomehere."Andhegoes,"Yeah,sureIwill.Imean,notreally."Thisisalloncamera.I'llsendittoyou.I'mgonnasendittoyoubyemail.Itishilarious.

DaveAsprey: Oh,myGod.

EricEdmeades: Ieditedittoaddin,youknow,justsoyou...Iputinreplay,soyoucouldhearhimsayit.Hegoes,"Well,whywon'tyoudrinksome?"Andhegoes,"Well,I'mnotanidiot."Okay,he'sjustsaidthatit'sperfectlysafe,buthe'snotgonnadrinkitbecausehe'snotanidiot.Oh,you'lllovethis,hegoes,"Oh,yeahpeopledowntheretrytocommitsuicidewithitfairlyoften.Peopledowntheredrinkittotrytocommitsuicide,andtheyfailfairlyoften."That'shisbenchmarkfor"it'sfairlysafe."

DaveAsprey: Wow,fairlyoften.Iactuallybelievethatthepeoplewhomakeherbicidesandpesticidesshouldberequiredtopaintitontheirskinbeforetheycansellit.

EricEdmeades: Ilikeit.

DaveAsprey: Andtheyshouldhavetodoiteverynightfor,Idon'tknow,acouplemonths.

EricEdmeades: Hey,peoplewhoworkinthetobaccoindustrysmokelikefiends,Ithinkit'sagoodrule.

DaveAsprey: Itisagoodrule.AndIactuallydon'tsaythatlightly,becauseyouspraythatstuffonthebugs,themice,thesoilwe'rekillingthesoil.Andthesoilisalivingorganism.Andifyoukillthesoilyoucan'tbeaveganorananimaleater,becausethere'snothinglefttoeat.Andit'sokayfortheshortterm.AndthisiswhathappensifIgotoaglyphosatesprayedcornfieldthat'sbeeninproductionforawhile,thetop12inchesisbasicallyjustdeadsoil,andthere'snothinggrowinginitanymore.It'sasupportsystemfortheroots,andtheyjustpourwaterandnutrientsontop,butthatdoesn'tregenerateanditdoesn'tgrowback.Anditisincrediblydangerousforourfoodsecuritytodothat.Youjustcan'tdoit.

Andthenyougetthefactthatthisglyphosatewhenitentersourbodyiteffectstheliningofthegut,iteffectmitochondrialfunction,andworstofallyourbones,yourskin,allofyourfacialplanes,yourconnectivetissuesaremadeofcollagen.Collagenismadeofglycinetheaminoacid.Glyphosateiscalledglybecauseithastheglycineinit.Itgoesintothecollagenconnectivetissueanditreplacesglycinewithatoxin.Andthenitinhibitstheabilityofelectronstoflowinthosetissue.

EricEdmeades: Soyoudon'twannadrinkaglass.

DaveAsprey: Youdon'tevenwannaeventouchittoyourskin,orbreaththatcrap.ButmanI...Thoseguysreallydrivemenuts.Youcannoteffectivelymakeanargumentbecausenowweknowthemechanismofaction,weknowenvironmentalproblemsandthey'resellingitnowtosprayoncropstomakethemripenmorequickly,knowingitwillbetherewhenweeatit.That'sevil.

EricEdmeades: No,I'mcuriousbecauseifI...Inthestrictestterms,ifanybodysaidwhatwasthedifferencebetweenWildFitandBulletproof,Iwouldsaythatwe'rereallypuristaboutevolution,gettingasclosetonatureaswecan.Andyou'resaying,"Hey,there'sexistingimbalancesandwe'regonnauseimbalancetotrytorebalance."It'snotabigdifferencereally,buttalktome...HowdoyoufeelaboutGMO?

DaveAsprey: Youknow,Iamcategoricallyopposedtosprayingglyphosateonstuff.IalsoamreallyfranklyscaredofGMOs,becausewe'reunleashingthingsintotheenvironmentthatself-replicate.Andwedonotunderstandthecomplexsystemsofourenvironment,andyoucan'tunreleasethatstuff.It'sfrighteninglydangerous.However,theremaybeatimewhereit'stheappropriateresponse

tothedamagewe'vedone.GMO,geneticallymodifyingthingsinandofitselfisnotevil.Makingaself-replicatingthinglikethatisaproblem.

There'ssomethingcalledplasmidlevelmutation.Doyouknowaboutplasmids?

EricEdmeades: Mm-mm(negative).

DaveAsprey: Whenyou'redealingwithbacteriaorevenwithplants,youhaveindividualgenemutationsandyouhaveplasmids,whicharebasicallyclustersofgenesthathave,we'llcallthem,superpowers.Andwhenbacteria,evenfromdifferentspecies,meetthey'relike,"Hey..."ThinkofthemasXMen,right,like,"I'vegotWolverinepowers,"andtheotherguy’slike,"Icanbreathefire.Youguyswannaswap?"Andthey...it'slikeballcards,theyswap.AndnowthisguyhasWolverinepowersandfire-breathing,andsodoesthisguy.

Andonethingthatglyphosatehasdoneisithascausedsoilfungusthatnaturallymadetoxinsthatpoisonus.ThesearelikeAspergillus,thingsthatmakeOchratoxinAandAflatoxinthingslikethat.Andtheymakebetween100and500timesmoretoxin,becausethey'vebeenabletoexchangetheseplasmidswithgeneticallymodifiedorganisms.Andbecausewhenyousprayglyphosateoncrops,itirritatesthesebacteria.Irritatedbacteriaandirritatedfungusmakemoretoxins,sowe'veradicallychangedwhat'sgoingoninthemicroscopicenvironmentbecauseofgeneticallymodifiedstuff.It'shalfthepoisons,andit'shalfthefactthatthesethingscantradethis.We'refinding-

EricEdmeades: Yeah,my-

DaveAsprey: ...badstuffhappening.

EricEdmeades: I'mwithyou.

DaveAsprey: It'snotgood.

EricEdmeades: It'sfunny,I'mveryagainstthemandIunderstandsomeoftheglobalreasonsforwantingtodoresearchintothatspace.Butmysimpleobservationisreally...WhenyoutakealookatwhatpricklypearcactusesaredoingtotheKrugerNationalPark,orwhatcanetoadsdidtoAustralia.Invasivespeciesdoonlyoneoftwothings-theydiebecausetheycan'tsurviveintheenvironment,ortheytakeovertheenvironment.Andsoeverytimewegooutandbuildsomethingthatisself-replicating,thathasnonaturalpredationandhasnonaturalbiologicalcontrolsaroundit...

DaveAsprey: Itdoesn'ttakearocketscientisttotellyouwhat'sbad.

EricEdmeades: Itdoesn't.AndIcan'tunderstandwhythatisn'tmore...Peopleareallfocusedon,"Oh,itmighthurtusinourdigestivesystem."Thatmayallbetrue,butthebiggerissuetomeis,onedaysomebody'sgonnacreatesomeorganismthat's

goingtowipeoutthefungusthatsitsontherootsofthetreesintheBlackForest,andwithoutthatfungus,thosetreesdie.Andthat'showprecariousthebalanceofnatureis,soIwasinterestedinyourthoughtsonthat.That'sinteresting.

DaveAsprey: IjustpostedonFacebookaboutthis,maybelastmonth.There'ssomeevil,madscientistlike,"Oh,we'retryingtostopthisinvasivebug,sowefoundthere'safungusthatonlygrowsonthisbug.Andthefunguswasn'tquitepoisonousenough,soweaddedbluescorpionvenomandcoralsnakevenom-producinggenes,"likereallybad,neurotoxicstuff."Now,theycankillthebugsreallyeffectively,sowe'regonnagodosomefieldtrialsandreleasethisfungus,"thathastheworstXMenpowersever,andgeeIwonderifthose...

EricEdmeades: That'sitwegottamakeaTVseries.Haveyouseen“BlackMirror?”

DaveAsprey: Yeah,ofcourse.

EricEdmeades: We'vegottomakeaversionof“BlackMirror”that'sallabouttheamazingthingsthatcouldcomeoutofGMO.Thatwouldbeaphenomenalseries.

DaveAsprey: It'slikethey'reactuallydoingthis.

EricEdmeades: Yes,it's...

DaveAsprey: Like,inwhatworldcanthatbeokay?

EricEdmeades: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: SoI'mjusthopingthattheydroponeofthescorpionsintheirshoe,andthennaturetakescareofbusinessthewayitalwayshas.So,howareyoufeeling?

GordyBal: CanIaskyouaquickquestionaboutthecoffee?

DaveAsprey: Yeah.

GordyBal: SowhenIwasinCostaRicatheyfeedtheirkidscoffee.Wouldyourecommendthat?What'syourperspectiveoncoffeeforkids?

DaveAsprey: Therewasacompanyinthe1950sthatmadeaburnedgrainbeverage,whichisparticularlynoxiousandbadforyou,andtheydidabigPRcampaignthatsaidcoffeestuntsyourkid'sgrowth.

GordyBal: Oh,myGod.

DaveAsprey: I'lltellyoucoffeeisfullofmold,whichmuchofitis,it'snotgoodforyourkids.Kidsmetabolizecaffeinetwiceasfastasadults,somykidsgetoneounceofBulletproofCoffee,atinylittleespressocup,andtheygetitbecausewhenthey

haveBrainOctaneinthemorning,theypayattention,andtheyplay,andtheydon'tpokeeachotherintheeyenearlyasmuch.Likethey'reactuallycalmerandmorefocused.Thecaffeineisnegligibleatthoselevels,butthefatsareprecious.Andifyoucanincreasethepolyphenolsthatyoutakein...andyougetthesefromevolutionarydiets.

Evenifyougobackinhistory,manyoftheinternationalbordersthatarestillinplacetoday,likebetweenTibet,Burma,China,allthatarea-thesewerespicetradingroutes.Thefirstpeoplewhowouldclimboverthemountainsandrisktheirlivesweretradingsalt,becauseyou'ddiewithoutsalt.AndanimalsinAfricawilltravel1,000milestogotothesaltcavestogetsalt.Weneedsalt,it'simportantforourstressresponse.Thenextthingtheywoulddowasteaandspices.AndI'daskedmyteachers,likein7thgrade,"Whywouldpeoplepaysomuchforspicesbackthen?"Andshesaid,"Well,theydidn'thaverefrigerators.Themeatwouldspoil,tomakeittastegoodtheyneededspices."Likeseriously?No,no,no,what'sgoingonhereisspicesarerequiredbecausethey'rethehighestpolyphenolthingswehave.Soifyou'relivinginapartoftheworldwithoutenoughcoloredcompoundsinyourvegetables,youmusthaveoregano,turmeric,thyme,ginseng-whateverthelocalstuffisthat'sbrightlycoloredandverystrongbitterflavors.Thisiswherespicescomefrom.They'renotflavorenhancers,they'reniceasflavorenhancers.Theyaredirectnaturemoleculesthatmodifyhowourmitochondriawork.

EricEdmeades: Andmightwenotarguethat,ifwehadancestorsseveralgenerationsagothatdidnotenjoythoseflavorsandthereforedidnotsamplethosethings,theyweremissingstuff.

DaveAsprey: Notonlythat,theirchildrenwouldbeweakandthey'dgeteatenbytigers.That'swhathappens.Notthatwehavetigershere,wehavecougars.

GordyBal: [crosstalk]

DaveAsprey: They’remostpeopleinVancouver,they'redatingayoungerman.Sorryguys.It'strue,cougarswereinventedinVancouver.

EricEdmeades: Gottahavealittlecheesyhumorherenowandagain.

DaveAsprey: LikeyouknowcougarswereinventedinVancouver?ThewordcomesfromVancouver.

EricEdmeades: Oh,reallydoesit?

DaveAsprey: Yeah.

EricEdmeades: IthoughtitcamefromBungalow44inMarinCounty.

DaveAsprey: Oh,itcouldeasilybethat.There'saplaceonSandHillRoad,Thursdaynights,TheRosewoodHotel…anyway.I'msureit'sevolved.ButtheinterestingthinghereisthatcoffeeisthelargestsourceofpolyphenolsintheAmericandiet.Anditturnsoutadiversityofpolyphenolsisimportantandalargevolume.SowhenIwrote“Headstrong,”I'mlikeI'mnotgettingenough.I'mdoublingmydailypolyphenolcount.Soyousawmygarden-

EricEdmeades: Sowhatwouldbe...pre-coffee,whatwouldbe...wherewouldsaythe[Cung]orthe[Hodza]begettingpolyphenolsfrominanormalworld?

DaveAsprey: Inanormalworldwhenthey'dgoouttherechoosingplantsallthetimeandthey'reeatingplantsthatarewild.Andifyoueatwildplants-

EricEdmeades: Andamassivevarietyofplants.

DaveAsprey: Yes.

EricEdmeades: 200speciesayear.

DaveAsprey: Thereyougo.Andthere'salotofstronglyflavored,bitter,pungent...thoseareextremelyfullofpolyphenols.Andnowweeatthesedomesticatedthings.Evenfruitthatyougetatthestore,evenorganicfruit,itlivedaprettycushylife.

EricEdmeades: And-

DaveAsprey: Polyphenolscomefromstress.

EricEdmeades: AnditisGMO.Peopledon'trealizethatGMOcomesinthreevarieties.Itcomesinnaturalselection,itcomesinbreeding,anditcomesininthelab.Andthatbreedingoneisprettypowerful.Imean,howbigwasacarrotwhenyourgrandadwaseatingcarrots?Thatbig.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,theywerelittle.Yeah.

EricEdmeades: We'vedonealottochangethat.

DaveAsprey: Wehave.Evenifthese...SomeoftheseverticalindoorLEDlitfarms,they'renotgettingtherightlightenvironmenttomakepolyphenols.They'realsonotgettingthefullsetofnutrients.Andthey'renotinteractingwiththeenvironment,whichtriggerstheformationsofthesecompounds.Thecarrotlooksgood,it'sorganic,it'sunsprayed,butifyougetameasureofthebiologicallyactivemoleculesinthereit'smuchlower.Itcanlookgood,itcanbeorganic,butitisn'tfullofthosethingsthatthesenativepeoplesaregetting,becauseeverythingaroundthemisdealingwithpressuresofthenaturalenvironment.That'sonereasonthathavingmono-cropsandeliminatingtheprairie,forinstance,isreallybadforthethingsthatweeat.Becausethenaturalthings,theinsectsthatcomeinandpollinateandmaybeputstressontheplant

butdon'tkillit,theycancausetheplantstomakemuchmoreofthesecompoundsweneed.DoyouknowwhatImean?

EricEdmeades: Yeah.Imeanyouendupwiththis...anthropologically,youendupinthissituationwhere...There'sthisreallyneatmeasureinanthropologycalledcaloriesperacre,andsotheBushmenliveinanalmostnocaloriesperacre.AndthenpeoplewholiveinAnaheim,Californialiveinbillionsofcaloriesperacre.AndthankstoUberEatsit'snoteven...Butthatissuewhentheystartmovingtothatmono-crops,theircaloriesperacrecountgoesuplikecrazy,buttheirnutrientsperacre-that'sawholedifferentkettleoffish.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.Andwehavethisweirdequation,ANDI.AggregateNutrientDensityIndex,whichsayscaloriesarebad,whichisnottrue.Caloriesarewhereenergycomesfrom.

EricEdmeades: Slightlynecessary.

GordyBal: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Soyoudiewithoutthem.Andalsowaterisinvisibleandfiberisinvisibleinthisweirdthing.Ifyoubelieveinthatsortofthing,you'deatthefoodsthathavethemostnutrients,butyou'dignorethefoodswiththemosttoxins.Soyoucouldhaveabowlofcyanidewithamulti-vitaminontopofit,ithasaveryhighAggregateNutrientDensityIndex,andyoudrinkitandyoudie.It'saflawedwayofthinking,becauseweneedtherightcaloriestoburntomakeenergy.Andifourfurnaces,ourmitochondriadon'tworkwell,wedon'tgetwhatweneed.Weeatnatively,weeatthewaythatpeopleeatintheirlocalenvironmentwherethey'regettingnotjustcaloriesbutthey'regettingnutrients.It'sthosenutrientsthatturnonthefurnacethatallowustousethecalorieseffectively.

EricEdmeades: Youknow,thiscomesfullcircletothequestionthatwe'vebeentalkingwithyouabout.About,youwannahavethisbigimpactonconsciousness.Andthenlet'sgotothe"bethechangeyouwannaseeintheworld,"right?

DaveAsprey: Mm-hmm(affirmative).

EricEdmeades: Andthatmeansworkingonourownconsciousness.Andoneofthethingsthatwe'vefoundandI'msureyou'veseensomethingsimilar,ifnotexactlythesame,isthatonceyougetpeoplesnutrientloadup,up,up,uptheyuniformlyreportincreasedsenseofwell-being.Wekeptseeingthisinourfeedbackforms.Likewhatdoesthatevenmean?Sowestartedsurveyingandaskingpeople.Andthestrangestthingiswhentheyhaveaverywidevarietyofnutrientsplant,animal,whateverthecase,theevolutionarilyrequiredstuff.Whenthey'regettingtheirneedsmettheyfeelbetter.Idon'tknowhowelsetomeasurehealththentheyfeelbetter.Andthenofcourse,aswetalkedabout,theyfeelbetterandtheymakebetterdecisions.

GordyBal: Yeah,notjustchoices.

DaveAsprey: Andpartoffeelingbetterisyoumakeenergybetter.Andthisisn'twellunderstoodeveninthedoctor'soffice,buttheseplantcompoundsthatyougetanabundantvarietyofifyou'relivinginAfrica,oranywherewhereyou'regettingwhatgrowsaroundyou,they'relightsignalingmolecules.Thesequadrillionmitochondriainthebodytalktoeachotherwithphotonswhileyou'resleepinginacaveatnight.They'resupposedtodothat,butifyoudon'thavethelightmodulatingpolyphenolsfromavarietyofplantsandvegetables,theydon'tdothatverywell.Andthenyoursenseofwell-beinggoesdown,becausethecontrolsystemforthefurnace,thebattery,inyourbodyitgetsdysregulated.Andthat'swhythisnutrientdensityissoimportant.

IdoubledmydailypolyphenolintakeafterIdidalltheresearch,whenIwaswriting“HeadStrong,”soIeatevenmoreplantsthenIdid.ButthebiggestchangeImadeisIputstupidamountsofspicesonthere.Likeifyouwalkthroughthegardenouthere...

EricEdmeades: Lotsofspices,yeah.

DaveAsprey: Imean,Igrow.I'mnotjustsayingbecauseIactuallygrowallmyownfoodwhenIamhomeweeatstuffthatgrowsinourgarden.Imightbuyceleryinwinterorsomething,butmyfreezerisfullofthestuffwegetduringthesummer.Andwepickjustbucketsofspices.Andthere'spicturesofmeonInstagramwithhugehandfulsofthymeandrosemaryandoregano.I'mlike,"Yeah,I'mactuallygoingtoeatthisfordinner.That'spartofthemeal."AndeverytimeIaddmoreherbsandspicestothefood,thebetterIfeel.

EricEdmeades: Yeah.Well,asImentionedtoyouwhenwefirstcamein,Isawyourgardenanditwasjustlikekismet,where-we'vejustnowselectedthepieceoflandtobuildanddothatourselves…

DaveAsprey: Awesome.

EricEdmeades: ...becauseIwhenI'mathome,I...IgetwhenI'montheroadI'mgonnahavetomakecompromises.Itiswhatitis.ButwhenI'mathome,Iwantthefoodcomingoutofmygarden,mysoil.Asyousaid,youknowwhopickeditanditwasprobablyyourkids.

DaveAsprey: Exactly.Itdoesn'tgetanymoreluxuriousthanthat.Andpeoplelisteningmightbelike,"Well,howamIevergoingtoaffordthis?"Bottomlineis,whenthisbecomesthenorm...Thiswasthenormforallofhistoryanditonlyrecentlydidn'tbecomethenorm,soitwillbecomethesortofthingwhereyougetfoodthatgrowslocally,becauseit'stheonlyscalable,sustainablewaytosupportthepopulationwehavenow.Theindustrialfarmingthing,it'sonitslastlegs.Itsimplydoesn'twork.

EricEdmeades: Wehavethese12principlesatWildFitandIthink...I'llsendthemovertoyouoneday.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,I'dlovetocheckitout.

EricEdmeades: I'dliketohaveyourfeedback.Oneoftheprinciplesisthatjustabouteverypsychologicalandphysiologicalchallengethatanyindividualhumanfacestodayisresultingasaresultofthegapbetweenourevolvedphysiologyandourevolvedpsychologyandthepaceofchangeinsociety.Justabouteverythingwesufferwithisbecausewehaveadifferentphysiologyandadifferentpsychologythanthewaywe'reliving.

Andsothisblip,thisveryshorttermmeme...Ifyouthinkaboutintermsofourevolution,thisfactoryfarmingthingit'sgonnabehereandit'sgonnago.Andassumingourspeciesdoesn't...youknow.We'lltalkabouttheplantanotherday.Butifwehaveanother500yearsherewe'regonnalookbackatthatblip,andit'sgonnabeablip.Andthey'regonnaseethisgraph,factoryfarmingwentuplikethisanddeathanddiseasewentuplikethis.Oh,andthenfactoryfarmingendedandthenit...youknow.It'sgonnabeablip.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.Andfactoryfarmingprobablyendedwhenthepopulationcrashed.Alotofpeopleareworriedaboutthisglobalpopulationboom.Howarewegonnasupportallthesepeople?Don'tworry,it'sjustamulti-generationalproblem.Thefutilityrateevery10yearsisdroppinganddroppinganddropping,sothewaywe'recontinuing,mostpeoplewon'tbeabletohavekids.Thatwillsolvethatproblemvery,veryquickly.

EricEdmeades: That'soneofourcoolestthings.WenowhavethisthingcalledWildFitbabies.

DaveAsprey: Nice.Nice.

EricEdmeades: I'msureyouhavemanycasesonceyou'veturnedpeoplearound,theirfertility...

DaveAsprey: Oh,yeah.

EricEdmeades: We'vejusthadsomanyofthesepeople,right.Thismostrecentonewasjustaboutaweekago.Thiswomanwrotetousandshegoes,"Look,I'velostallthisweightandI'mfeelingfantastic,butI'mabouttohavemy6thchildwithmyex-husband."

DaveAsprey: Mywifeusestheseprinciplesinherfertilitycoachingpractice,andIkindofliketosayshe'sgottenmorepeoplepregnantthenIhave.That'swhathappenswhenyouturnonthebiology,youstartgettingyourcircadianrhythmsright,youstarteatingmorenutrientsandgettingridofthecrap,fertilitycomesbackonline.

EricEdmeades: OurveryfirstWildFitbabywasanEstonianguy.Andhe'ddoneourprogram,andhisbefore/afterpicturestheylookedlikefatherandsonin90days.

DaveAsprey: Wow.

EricEdmeades: Likefabulous.AndthenIsawhimspeakingatanevent,andhe'sgotathinkEstonianaccentandEstoniansdon'thavepronouns,right.Theydon'thaveheandshe,sohe'sonstageandhegoes,"Meandwifetrygetpregnantfiveyears.Nobabies.Twochildren,fiveyearsnobabies.ThenWildFit.Now,wifecallmeshetellme,hepregnant.AndhesayEric'sfault.IcheckEric'seventschedule,notinEstonia,notEric'sfault."Sothosearecute.Thosearefunstories.Ilikethat.

DaveAsprey: Itfeelsgoodtoo.

EricEdmeades: Itdoes.

DaveAsprey: Andonethingthathappenswhenparentsdothisbefore...bothparents,notjustmom,beforeconceptionandduringpregnancythat'swhenyouhavethemostleverage.Alotofpeopledon'tknowthis,butthesemitochondriainthebody...Iliketosaythere's15,000oftheminyourbraincellsandinyoureyesandyourheartandtherestofyourbodyhasabout1,000.Butinwomenthere's100,000mitochondriaintheovaries,percell.Andthat'sbecausemitochondriaareenvironmentalsensors.Somethingisdecidingwhichofthosemillionsofeggsorbillions,howevermanyareinthere,whichoneisgoingtodrop.Andtheonethatisgoingtodropduringthisfertilitycycleistheonethatismostlikelytosurviveandthrivefortheenvironmentthemomhasbeeninforthelastthreemonths.

EricEdmeades: Yeah,absolutely.

DaveAsprey: That'swhythesensornetworkisthere.Andthatmeansthatifyougettheenvironmentright,youtellthebody,it'llselecttherightegg.Andthenthemanwillmaketherightsperm,itonlytakesaboutthreedaystodothatwhereyoucanbealittlebitlazy,butyouneedtotakecareofyourselfforthetwomonthsbefore,thatsothespermhasenoughmitochondriatoswim.

EricEdmeades: Mywifewouldn'tlethavehottubs.

DaveAsprey: That'sterrible.Andthen,youenduphavingababythatisoptimizedfromtheenvironmentinwhichyoulive.Andababythatisgoingtobeabletoexpresswhateverpossibilitieshappen.Andthisiswhereitstarts.Andyouhavesomuchleveragethefirstyearoflife,andyourleveragedecreaseswitheachyearoflifeuntilyou're90yearsold.AndIrunananti-agingnon-profitgroupforalmost20years.It'sreallyhardtotakea90-year-oldandmakehim60again,butyoucandoit.Butiftheyjustdidstuffwhentheyweretwoyearsold,orthattheirmom

did,orwhentheywere16,theywouldn'tofhadtodothatbecausetheywould'velookedliketheywere60whentheywere90inthefirstplace.

EricEdmeades: Wehave...Itisabsolutelyroutineweissue...ThereareanumberofdisclaimersweissuewhenpeoplecomeintotheWildFitchallenge.Oneofthemisthatifthey'reonbloodpressureloweringmedication,theymustseeadoctorafteramonth,becausetheymightpassout.Buttheotheronethatwehavetowarnwomen,ifthey'rewithin24monthsofmenstruationstopping,intothatmenopausalzone,wehavetotellthemupfront-itisentirelylikelythemenstruationisgoingtorestart.They'rejustyounger.Andit'sfunnybecausewhatendsupistheywritetheselonglettersof"thankyou."Like,"Oh,myGod,Ifeelyounger.Ifeelmorealive-butIhateEricbecauseIdidn'twanttohavetodealwiththisanymore."

DaveAsprey: Right.Althoughwhentheygothroughperimenopause,they'llreallylikethattheydidthat,becauseyoucangothroughareallyroughperimenopause,andifyougetyourbiologyhealthybeforethat,perimenopausewillbealotlesssuffering.

EricEdmeades: That'sverycool.

DaveAsprey: Well-

EricEdmeades: Ihaveonereallyimportantquestion,superimportantquestion.

DaveAsprey: Okay.

EricEdmeades: Doyoukiteboardyet?

DaveAsprey: WithascrewinmyrightkneeandnoACL...

EricEdmeades: Notsolikely.

DaveAsprey: I'dliketotryit,butIthinkifIdoitregularlytheoddsofmehavinganotherscrewinmykneemightgoup.

EricEdmeades: Yeah,we'lltalkanothertime.

DaveAsprey: Alright,I'dstilllovetotryit.

EricEdmeades: It'snotsuperintensiveonyourknees.

DaveAsprey: Okay.I'lldoitsometime.

EricEdmeades: Unlessyougetintojumping,whichyoujustshouldn'tdo.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.Iwouldn't,butIwouldlovetodothat.

EricEdmeades: Alright.

DaveAsprey: I'mgoingtobespendingaboutsixweeksinHawaiicominguphere.TheverydarkestpartofwinterinCanada,Ijustthinkit'sbadforyou,soI'mgettingoutofherethiswinter.

EricEdmeades: Well,onewintercomedown.Bythenwe'llhaveourfarmupandrunning.Youcanhavekiteboard...WeliveonKiteBeach.

DaveAsprey: Okay.Oh,that'sgoodtoknow.

EricEdmeades: Youknow,soyoucan'targuewiththat.

DaveAsprey: Okay.Alright.

EricEdmeades: We'llmakethathappen.

DaveAsprey: I'mallforit.

EricEdmeades: Alright.

DaveAsprey: Okay.

EricEdmeades: Cheers.

DaveAsprey: Youfeelinggoodoncoffee?

EricEdmeades: Yeah,I'mgood.I'mgood.

DaveAsprey: Alright.

EricEdmeades: I'mnotbuyingatickettoThailand,notyet.

DaveAsprey: Gooddeal.We'vealreadygotitonholdforyou.

GordyBal: Wow,whatanamazingday.YouhadyourveryfirstBulletproofCoffee,youwentintothecryochamber,andIjustwannathankbothofyouonhelpingmeonthisexploration.Ijusthaveonelastquestionforeachofyou.WhatdoesaConsciousThoughtRevolutionmeantoyou?

DaveAsprey: Youwantmetogofirst?

EricEdmeades: Goforit.

DaveAsprey: Arevolutionbydefinitionmeanssomethingthat'sdisruptive.Itmeansit'sdifferentandit'saradicalstepup.Andwecanthinkaboutallsortsofstuff,butwhenyouhaveconsciousthoughtwhatyou'redoingisyou'reactuallythinking

aboutwhatmattersratherthanjustthinkingforthesakeofthinking.Orthinkingandtellingyourselfastory,sowhenyouhaveconsciousthinkingyou'reactuallylearningtonotpayattentiontothestoryyoutoldyourself,buttopayattentiontotherealstoryastheworldexistsoutsideofyourownego.

GordyBal: Coolthanks.

EricEdmeades: Ilikeit.Ilikeit.Ithinkthatwe're...It'snotsomuchthatweneedaConsciousThoughtRevolutionsrightnow,it'sthatthere'sbeenonegoingonforprobably2-millionyears.And2-millionyearsagotherewasverylittleconsciousthoughtandthenslowlyalittleconsciousthoughtdeveloped,andthenslowlyalittlebitmore.Andthenmaybesomepointintimethe'60s,itstartedgoingtheotherdirection,andmaybeevenearlierthanthat.Forme,whatitreallyisisexactlythat,it'sthat-onebyone,thatwhole"bethechangeyouwannaseeintheworld."Onebyoneweincreaseourconsciousnesswithwhichwemakedecisionsaboutwhatwedoforaliving,aboutthewaywerespondwhenwegetbadcustomerservice,aboutthefoodweputinourmouth,andonebyonewedothat.Andthenvirallywespreadthattothepeoplearoundus.Andthenitdoesbecomearevolution.

GordyBal: Awesome.Thanks,guys.

DaveAsprey: AndGordy,thanksforalltheworkyou'redoing.Wetalkedalotaboutkids.Youcaresomuchaboutyourfamily,aboutkidsandoneofthethingsyoucandoinaConsciousThoughtRevolution,it'saloteasiertoteachkidstobeconscious.Mykids...Itdrivesmenuts,buttheywon'tkillfliesbecauseItaughtthemnotto,sotheycatchthelittlefliesandtheyletthemgooutside.Eventually,Ididtellthemit'sokaytokillmosquitoesbecausetheydeserveit.

EricEdmeades: Yes.

DaveAsprey: Ididn'ttellthembecausetheydeserveit.Isaid,"becausewecan'tcatchthemall."

EricEdmeades: It'sself-defense.

DaveAsprey: Itisself-defense.Butotherwise,theydon'tsteponspidersbecausethere'snoneedtodothat.Spidersareuseful,sothey'llescortthemoutofthehouse.Andjustlittlethingslikethatwhereyouteachkidstobeconscioustheytakeitwiththemasadults.Butifyouteachthemhabitsandpatternsinunthinkingbehaviors.Ifyouteachthemtohate,unconsciouslywhenyousay,"Ihatethat,"theyhearthat.AndI'vetaughtmykids,look,oh,youhatethat?I'msosorrybecausehatehurtsyourheart.Itdoesn'thurttheotherpersonverymuchbutithurtsyou,soyoudon'twannadothat.That'snotgoodforyou.That'showConsciousThoughtRevolutionreallyhappens.Ithappenswithkids,soIappreciatewhatyou'redoingwithkids.

EricEdmeades: Iamwithyou100%.Andfromaparentingperspective...I'msoclearaboutthisInoticedwhenIwasakidthatmyparentscouldsaysomethingandifI...Asakidyoudon'thavealotofmeaningyet,right?Youwalkintotheworld,youdon'tknowwhattherulesare.

AndIrememberonedayIwaseatinganapple,andIwantedtogotothebathroom.SoIwaseatingtheapple,andIwentintothebathroom,closedthedoor,puttheappledown,didmybusiness,washedmyhands,pickeduptheapple,walkedoutofthebathroom.Mymomsawmecomeoutofthebathroomwithanappleandshewaslike,"Oh,myGodwhatareyoudoing!That'sdangerous."Butthenshegotbusywithsomethinganddidn'texplaintomewhatdangerousmeant.

AndImusthavebeeneightorsomethingatthetime,butI'mthinking,well,sheknowsI'msmartenoughtohavewashedmyhands,soitcan'tbethat.Whatelsecoulditbe?Andasakidwhenyoudon'thaveanymeanings,youdon'treallyunderstandtheworld,youwillmakeupmeanings.AndIrememberonedayplayingwithastraw,andInoticedthatifyoublockthetopofthestrawyoucanpulltheliquidup.Andifyouletgoofthetopofthestrawtheliquidfallsout.AndIstartedthinkingwell,maybethat'swhatshemeantbydangerous-thatifyouswallowatthesametimethatyoupoop,youjustfallout.Ibecamereallynervousaboutthis.

Iwouldnotchewgumgoingtothebathroom.I'dgointhere,Iwouldn’tswallow.Ithoughtifyouopenedbothends,it'sallwrong.AndyearslaterwhenIsawtheabsurdityofthis...

DaveAsprey: Yourealizeyoujustlike,wontheinternetwiththat?That'sgoingtohavelike10millionpeopletellingme,that'sthefunnieststoryI'veeverheard.

EricEdmeades: That'swhathappened.Butthenasaparent,I'velookedatthatandIthought,wow,there'salotofthingsthatmyparentssaidthatwhenIlookbackatthosememoriesnowthemeaningsIassessedweresoincrediblywrong.Forme,aConsciousThoughtRevolutionasaparent,istorecognizethateveryinteractionIhavewithmychildrengeneratesameaning,andthemeaningmightnotbethewordsIused.Themeaningmightbethattheytakethosewordsandtheymakeupsomemeaning,whichforthemwillbecomearuletoliveby.

JustyesterdayIwasinSanDiego,andI'mwalkingthroughthemall...IdidaFacebookLiveaboutthis,becauseitjuststruckme.Therewasalittlegirlwithhermominthelineup.Andthelittlegirlgoes,"Mom,momIwantoneof…"whatever.Idon'tevenknowwhatitwas,andthemomsaystoher,"Well,youbettermarryrich."

DaveAsprey: Oh,wow.

EricEdmeades: AndI'mlike,wow!Like,holy...Thinkaboutthemeaning.Whatmeaningsmightshecreatefromthat?Girlscan'tmakemoney,menarethesourceofmoney,whateverthecasemaybethatlittlegirlisgettingprogrammed.Andforme,I'msogladyoubroughtthatupbecausethebiggestwaywecreateaConsciousThoughtRevolutionisthroughraisingreallyconsciouskids.

GordyBal: Wow.Awesome.Thanks,guys.Ireallyappreciateit.

DaveAsprey: ThequestionthatI'veaskedeveryguestontheshowexceptforepisode70somethingwhenIforgotwasifsomeonecametoyoutomorrow,Eric,andtheysaid,look,IwannaperformbetterateverythingIdoasahumanbeing,whatarethreemostimportantpiecesofadviceyou'dhaveforme?Whatwouldyouofferthem?

EricEdmeades: Ithinkthefirstonewouldhavetobeaboutnutrition.Youknowoxygen,water,food.AndImeanitlikethisoursystemisamachineanditneedsallofthethingsthatitneedstorunoptimally.Whensomebody'swell-nourishedandwellhydratedandwelloxygenatedtheythinkbetterthoughtsandthentheymakebetterdecisions.

Ithinkanotheronewouldbe,unplug.Wereallyneedtimeawayfromthisreactive,responsivethoughtprocesswe'reinallthetime.Wedon'tthinkanymore.Weusedto...Yourememberhowitusedtobe.You'rewaitingforaflightyou'reboarding,you'dthink.Youwouldthinkaboutstuff.Andnowit'slikeFacebook,CNN,WhatsApp,Twitter,whateverandsoIthinkthatgettingsomereallysolid...WhenI'mathomeintheDR,Ibarelyevenseemyphone.Itfrustratesthehelloutofmyteamsometimes,butIjustdon't...It'sinairplanemode.It'snoton.AsImentioned,twoyearsagoIdidsixandahalfmonthswithoutone.Ireallystronglyrecommendthatone.

Andthentheotheroneiscommunity.Ireallythinkit'sa...Thisideaofbeingaroundpeople-ifIconsidereventheinfluence,IdriveintoyourdrivewayandIseeyourgarden,somethingI'vealwayswantedtodoandwejustdecidedtodo,butI'mevenmoreinspiredtodothatnow.Why?Becauseyou'vedoneitanditlooksgreat.You'reanexampleofwhatyou'redoing.You'rewalkingyourtalk.

DaveAsprey: Thanks.

EricEdmeades: Andthemorewelivearoundpeople,andspendtimewithpeoplethathavethatextralayerofconsciousnessandthatextralayerofintention,thenthemorethatforcesustolivewiththatsameintentionality,sothere'smythreethingsfortoday.

DaveAsprey: That'sabeautifullist.Andnow,wherecanpeoplegotofindoutmoreaboutWildFit?

EricEdmeades: Getwildfit.com.

DaveAsprey: Awesome.Ifyouguyslikedtoday'sepisode,youknowwhattodo.Headonovertogetwildfit.comandcheckoutEric'swriting.There'salotofcoolstuffaboutevolutionarybiologyandhowitfitsintofood.Andasyou'velistenedtothisepisodeyou'veheardlotsofcoolstuffwherethere'salotofcommonthinkingherearoundwhatworksandwhatdoesn'twork.Andhe'sgotsomereallycoolstuffaroundthepsychologyoffoodthat'sreallyworthlookinginto.Like,whatdoyoudobeforeyoudecidewhattoeat,whichisIthinkapowerfulthing.And,EricI'vegottosayyoujusttriedBulletproofCoffeethefirstcoffeeyou'vehadin25years.I'mtrulyhonoredthatyouhadenoughtrusttogiveitatry.AndIwantyoutosendmeanemaillatertonightandtellmehowyou'redoingbecauseyou'reaslowcaffeinemetabolizer,solet'sseehowyou'redoing.Thanksforyourtrust.

EricEdmeades: Yeah,I'lltellyouwhatifI'mstillawakeat3:00inthemorningI'mnotemailingyou,I'mcallingyou.

DaveAsprey: That'sfair.Myphonewillbeinairplanemode.

EricEdmeades: Damnit.Well,thanksverymuchforhavingme.It'sbeenarealtreattogettoknowyoualittlehereandseethemagicyou'redoinghere.Thanksverymuch.

DaveAsprey: Beautiful.


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