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    Black and White and Colors

    name Red

    status other

    age 30s

    Question - Is it true that black is an absence of color

    (technically NOT a color)

    and white is a combination of all colors?

    (Your answer will help my debate with my wife....)

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    Our eyes react to different shades of light, and what we determine as colors

    are different wavelengths of light. When we say an object is a certain

    color, it is because it is reflecting more of a certain wavelength light.

    For example red objects reflect "red" light, or light with a longer

    wavelength (lower frequency) better than other types of light.

    So, we determine the color by the primary type of light the object reflects

    (or emits if it is a light).

    We also perceive other properties of colors, and that is lightness or

    darkness. A light colored object may reflect one color especially well, but

    also reflect other colors as well. A very light green object, for example,

    reflects green very well, but also reflects most other colors, just not as

    well.

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    Dark objects tend not to reflect light very well at all, even if it reflects

    one color better than the other.

    White objects, tend to reflect all types of light equally well, and tend to

    reflect most of the light cast on it.

    Black objects also, tend to reflect all types of light equally, they just

    dont reflect much of the light cast on them.

    In computer graphics, we use combinations of just three lights to produce

    the colors on a screen, red, green, and blue. We also use different systems

    for calculating colors. One of those is hue, saturation, and lightness.

    This system is more accurate in describing how we perceive colors. The hue

    is what we call color--red, brown, white, etc. The saturation is how much

    of the other colors is present, and the lightness is how bright the color

    is.

    The interesting thing about this system is, white and black have the same

    hue and saturation, the lightness is all that is different.

    Anyway, what all this boils down to, is the answer to your question simply

    depends on how you look at the problem.

    On one level, you are right. Black doesn't reflect light, and white

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    reflects all colors. On the other hand, if you are talking to someone like

    me who deals with generating colors on a computer screen, black and white

    are exactly the same color, one is just brighter than the other.

    I hope this helps your discussion.

    Eric Tolman

    Computer Scientist

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    Well, I think color is best defined as a human sensation. That is,

    we should define color as that property of visual impression which

    evokes the word ``red'' when looking at the setting sun and ``blue''

    when looking at the daytime sky. From that point of view, white and

    black are both single, real colors, no less than red or blue or

    chartreuse.

    You may be thinking of defining color in terms of the frequency of

    the electromagnetic radiation involved, i.e. green light is that of

    wavelength 5000 angstroms, red light is that of 7000 angstroms

    wavelength, and so forth. Part of the problem with this definition is

    that the human eye does not simply analyze the frequencies of incoming

    light when it perceives color. There are far too few visual pigments

    for that. Hence the color we perceive does not always correspond to

    the color of the light received.

    For example, an object will be perceived as yellow if it reflects

    primarily yellow light, BUT ALSO if it reflects not one photon of

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    yellow light but reflects red and green light equally. Furthermore,

    most people would want to call this object yellow, suggesting the key

    defining question for color is: how does the eye perceive it?

    We run into problems with your definitions of black and white if we

    try to define color as frequency, also. A certain object may reflect

    quite strongly in the infrared or ultraviolet, outside the range of

    human vision, but not at all in the visible. Such an object hardly

    meets the criterion of reflecting no light of any color, yet it would

    *look* black, and be called black by any ordinary person looking at

    it. By the same token, an object could reflect radiation equally

    across the visible spectrum, and yet have a very complicated

    dependence on color of its reflectance outside this narrow region.

    Such an object would *look* and be called white, but does not meet

    your criterion of reflecting radiation equally at all frequencies

    (colors).

    We cannot even standardize the ``visible'' region. Not all living

    creatures see in the same color range we do. Spiders see into the

    infrared and bees into the ultraviolet, and so there are objects that

    look black to us which are NOT black to spiders, and objects that look

    white to us that are NOT white to bees. Individual human beings

    presumably also have some variation in how far up and down in color

    they can see, just as there is variation in how high and low you can

    hear.

    So I think it is futile to try to match the usual, everyday sense

    of the word color to anything other than the human sensation in the

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    eye. And by this token black and white share equal status with red

    and blue.

    Let me also mention that a black object has a few definitions, some

    of which may surprise you. A black hole, for example, is an object

    that emits no radiation whatsoever. This is close to your meaning, I

    think. But on the other hand, a black body is one which emits and

    absorbs radiation of all frequencies equally well. The Sun, for

    example, is a black body. A rather white and glowing black body, it

    turns out.

    Grayce

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    Red (interesting name considering your question!),

    We call an object 'black' if visible light hitting its surface is not

    reflected...that is, the light is absorbed by the object and our eyes do not

    see a color reflected from the surface. We see a plant as green because the

    plant absorbs wavelengths of visible light including all but green, which

    is reflected back and is what we see. The same goes for all other colors.

    Since we have defined 'color' as the wavelength(s) of visible light

    reflected from an object, with the remainder being absorbed, a black object

    has no 'color' by our definition. An object we call 'white' reflects all

    wavelengths of visible light and therefore could be considered all-colored.

    Good luck in your upcoming debate. :)

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    Thanks for using NEWTON!

    Richard R. Rupnik

    Internal Quality Auditor

    Lucent Technologies

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    White light contains light of all frequencies. In that sense, white is a

    combination of all colors. Black objects absorb light of all frequencies.

    This means that very little light is reflected from them. Black is the

    absence of light.

    As far as the absence of color is concerned... you know that if you combine

    pigments or dyes of different colors, you don't end up with white. Dyes

    and pigments work by absorbing light in certain frequency ranges, and

    transmitting or reflecting light of other frequencies. If two different

    dyes are combined, the mixture absorbs light characteristic of BOTH dyes,

    and transmits light of the remaining frequencies. If you mix togtether

    dyes that are truly complementary, the mixture will absorb light of all

    frequencies, and thus be black. (In practice the best you can do is get a

    muddy brown, because the different dyes are only approximately

    complementary.) So it depends on what you mean by "absence of color."

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    We perceive colors because we have three types of "cone" cells in our

    retinas, each of which is most sensitive to certain frequency ranges.

    These ranges correspond pretty much to red, green, and blue. Our brain

    interprets the different intensities of the signals from each type of cone

    cell to decide what color it sees.

    Richard E. Barrans Jr.

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    Light travels in waves and is made up of all of the colors of the spectrum.

    You can see this when light is bent through the use of a prism. When light

    hits an object 3 things can happen: it can be absorbed, it can be reflected

    or it can be transmitted (or shine right through). When white light hits an

    object, usually some of the light's energy is absorbed by the object. Any

    part of the spectrum (energy) that is not used by the object is reflected

    back. The portion of the spectrum that is reflected back is the color that

    you actually see. For example, the reason that green plants are green is

    that chlorophyll absorbs light in the blue and red and reflects light in the

    green and yellow. So black is actually when all the light energy is absorbed

    and no light is being reflected back. So it isn't really the absence of

    color, its the absence of any reflected light. White is actually when all

    of the light is reflected and none of it is absorbed. So it is still made up

    of all of the colors of the spectrum.

    Van Hoeck