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In this Interview we learn from Mentor Barry Thain.


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"At the neurobiological level the aim of clinical hypnotism is to alter connections in the brain so that real or imagined stimuli no longer produce the same response."

Mentor Barry Thain brings an unique perspective to the world of hypnosis and his experience often times challenges some of the long standing status quo’s of hypnosis! His razor sharp mind and dedication to cutting straight to the heart of the issue makes him be one of the best hypnotists in the world today.

Mentor Barry Thain is a Clinical Hypnotist, and full Member of the British Society of Clinical Hypnosis.

Whilst running his own management consultancy Barry Thain stumbled into clinical hypnotism quite by accident, and spent five years practicing with no training; essentially, making it up as he went along. Having a curious mind he wanted to see what are the boundaries of the human mind and he found that anything a hypnotee can imagine, they can experience. Their imagination can become their reality, and stay their reality.

Barry Thain has been helping people with a wide range of physiological and psychological issues get better for 21 years, including eight years as Clinical Hypnotist with the Occupational Health Department of his local NHS hospital, and get recommended to many patients by Consultants and GPs.






Eugen Popa: So, let me start up by asking you, ahhh, you know, the first question I have here on the list is “How, and why and when did you start doing hypnosis?

Barry Thain: I started in 1994, so 21 years ago. At the time I was the managing director of the Management Consultancy, which specialized in providing a practical help to small and medium size businesses.

My finance director came to me one day with a book on self-hypnosis that she bought for herself with the intention of making herself a tape to deal with some issues, and I knew nothing about hypnotism at all, I had no interest in it whatsoever, but she thought I might make a better recording of the cassette (it was 21 years ago) than she would, so she asked me if I would record the tape.

The book was actually a Valerie Austin’s self-hypnosis book, and I said “Well, give me the book, and I’ll a look and if, you know, I think I can do it, I will”. So, I read through the book, cover to cover, and the book said two things. It said “say these words, and it will work” and it also said “the cassettes are good, but they work much better if someone has actually done it to you for real first of all”. It’s a bit like you can explain, show people pictures of where you’ve been on holiday, but if they have actually been there themselves it would just mean more to them.






So anyway, on a basis that I was too ignorant to know any better, I believed these two things completely, and so I said to my finance director “Ok well, look, if you sit in front of me, while I read the script on to my little Sony walkman cassette recorder, you will get hypnotized, because it will work and... then the cassette will work better for you because you’ve been hypnotized for real first of all.

So that’s what we agreed to do, and I typed out the various bits of script, (these were the days before scanners, of course), so I’ve typed the bits of script, double spaced, and called her into my office after work one day, sat her in a chair with her feet up and read through the script and she got hypnotized, which came as a big surprise to her and a bigger surprise to me.

(...)And so, after that, I had, well, my finance director kind of

became my muse, and I did…, I spend five years experimenting on her, before I took any formal training, and at the same time, I had 100 employees in the Management Consultancy who got to hear that I did hypnotism and they’d came and knock on my door to say “Can you cure my warts?”, Can you cure my claustrophobia? Can you cure my husband who beats me with wooden coat hangers? And I would say “I don’t know, let’s try.” And I think that was a great advantage for me, because I had five years where I was doing maybe 20 inductions with 20 different people a day!






Eugen Popa: Whoa!

Barry Thain: I know. And just experimenting, and it was no commercial imperative, you know, I wasn’t being paid a fee to try and help them it was just “I don’t know, let’s try’!

So I ended up doing, I mean I didn’t know about regressions, but sometimes it seemed like the right thing to do so I did it, and I learned an awful lot then, about what you can do.

In fact, when I went to formal training, with the London College of Clinical Hypnosis, there were often times when they said “Well, you can’t do this, you can’t do that, you can’t make people do things against their will, it’s the obvious one, isn’t it?” and I thought that’s strange, because I’ve been doing that, you know, routinely, for the last five years, so I sat quietly at the back and took notes, and learned how to be a therapist, but didn’t really learn much more about hypnotism.

Eugen Popa: What is the best attitude to have when you’re working with a client?

Barry Thain: Want it to work, expect it to work, but don’t try to make it work, just let it work.






Eugen Popa: So, again, coming to the question, would you say that there is such a thing as a difficult client?

Barry Thain: I suppose the most difficult client I ever had was a guy who was highly anxious, alcoholic, being medicated by psychiatrists with some antipsychotic, I forget which one at that time, but they didn’t know he was alcoholic, and that particular antipsychotic meant that he couldn’t really sit still, it reacted badly with alcohol, he was like this ; he really couldn’t sit still, and so, you know, ask him to “sit down and close your eyes, sleep now” was…you know. It took me maybe 5 minutes and I had to yell him into hypnosis. But I don’t think of those as … I don’t think of them as difficult clients or difficult patients, people are just different. And actually, it isn’t;… treating nail biting is no more or less easy than treating post marital depression, it’s not the people or the problems that are difficult, it’s just how good hypnotee are they. And everyone comes to me because they want, they came to me and want to be hypnotized, that helps, I think that if you go up to people in the street and say, you know, “Let me stick my hand to your forehead” I think you’re gonna get a lot more resistance than when somebody phones you up and says :”I’ve seen my doctor, my psychologist, my psychiatrist , I’ve had reiki, reflexology and a dozen different Chinese herbal remedies, and I’m still screwed. Can you help me?” You know, they want it to work.






Eugen Popa: I understand. Do you have a favorite technique that you’re using?

Barry Thain: No, treat the person, not the problem, that’s my kind of guiding mantra, treat the person, not the problem. So, I mean by and large, I will take case history, do the rapid induction, establish some direct communication with the subconscious, negotiate with them what the outcome is going to be, wake them up, get paid, see them again a week later, make sure everything is tikety-boo hunky-dory, I mean, that’s the middle of the bell curve if you like, but you know, also on the fringes of the bell curve, I have all sorts of weird and wacky stuff that I will only ever do once.





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