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5R110W “TorqShift” Problem

Presented by :

Mike Souza

ATRA Senio r

Research Technic ian5R110W Problems & Fixes Webin


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No Move After Rebuild

The problem is mismatched pump parts. The change occurs in 2005 and is

with the earlier 2004-04 parts. The 2005 and later pump will retro back as a

interchange of parts between early and late are possible.

The early 2003-04 can be identified by the rough forged date found on the

Early 2003-2004Body

Stator Sup

Casting #3C3P


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The 2005 & later pump assembly can be identified by the rough fothe castings shown here.

2005 & Later Body

Stator SupCasting #RF5C3P

C

N M Aft R b ild


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The difference between the oil circuit worm tracks found in the puare shown here.

2005 & La2003 - 2004

N M Aft R b ild


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The difference between the oil circuit worm tracks found in the puhere.

2005 &2003 - 2004

No Mo e After Reb ild


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The difference between the oil circuits found in the pump wear pla

2005 2003 - 2004

2 Slots No Slots

TorqShift Pump Failures


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TorqShift Pump Failures

Spun pump bushing and/or pump gear welded to the pump plate. These pr

occurring quite often on the technical hotline lately.

We have seen this in the past on other vehicles such as the Aisin Seiki and

couple of examples.

There have been articles written in Gears on the 722.9 with this problem.

Here are some tips that will help prevent these issues:• The converter pilot is a tight fit with the crankshaft, so make sure it doesn’t have a

the journal is smooth and free of any burrs or nicks.

• Check the crankshaft, make sure it’s clean and free of any corrosion or debris tha

• Take some extra time to slide the converter up to the flexplate and make sure the

crankshaft.

• When you bolt up the converter to the flexplate during installation, make sure you

way toward the crankshaft, and then tighten the converter bolts gradually as you t

sure the converter pilot doesn’t bind as you tighten the bolts.

• Clean the engine block and bellhousing of any paint, debris or corrosion.

• Check the dowel pins, make sure their extended out far enough.

• Check the dowel pin holes on the bellhousing, make sure they are not worn out.

• Add a ground strap from the engine block to the battery to prevent electrolysis.

• When your putting the pump together instead of squirting oil onto the pump gears

Here are a couple of tips that were used back when the Aisin Seiki units w• With the engine off and the first 4 quarts or so have been poured into the unit. Hav

Don’t wait, have someone ready to add it right away after you start the vehicle.

• If it fills too slow it may be better to turn off the engine and add more and then res

• You can also start out with more than 4 quarts instead start out with 8 quarts or m

Delays in Reverse Worse when Hot


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Delays in Reverse, Worse when Hot

A delayed reverse that gets worse when hot can be caused by direct drum

This concern especially with high mileage vehicles can be caused by the c

ring lands.

Wear in the ring lands will cause major pressure leaks.

To test this you can try using string behind the sealing rings to get a bette

works replace the center support and use factory rings. Do not install it th

Bind In Reverse D3 and Low D2 Is Okay After


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Bind In Reverse, D3 and Low, D2 Is Okay After

The transmission may exhibit an unusual bind in Reverse, Drive 3, and Ma

working fine. The transmission may feel like it’s taking off in a higher gear

position.

In 2006-and-later model 5R110W, the O/D pressure plate has a raised, step

one side with an extended tab toward one lug. These plates are found mos

5R110W with the PTO setup. These plates according to Ford are “NOT” int

But, most suppliers only carry the less expensive flat plate that has not ha



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After taking a close look at the transmission clutch apply chart, the one co

for a bind in all these ranges would be if the overdrive clutches were stayi

The coast clutch is on in Reverse, Manual 3 and Manual 1, causing the bin

But it’s not on in Manual 2 or the Drive range so it’ll move, even though fe

gear.




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When you install the plate in the case, the extended tab is supposed to fac

6 o’clock position with the flat side up.

If you don’t place the snap ring opening in the proper location during a reb

installation shown below), the O/D clutches will mechanically lock when y

case.

If you make this mistake, you’ll have no choice but to remove the transmis

and correct it.

In




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You can see the clutches through a small opening in the main cas

removed. You can check the clutches for free play through this op

or thin screwdriver.

You should feel noticeable movement in the clutches and steels to

aren’t clamped down when the pump is in place and bolted down.


Engagement Issues


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Engagement Issues

A complaint of a delay and/or intermittent no reverse or forward concern m

faulty Internal Range Sensor.

After inspecting the linkage and shifter assembly. Remove the pan and ins

sensor.

With the rooster comb pushed away from the sensor. A clearer view revea

follows the worm track in the rooster comb is worn paper thin.

New

Engagement Issues


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The other item that was noticeable on the new sensor was the retu

sensor pin cam.

The newer sensor had a different spring configuration that placed

pin to rooster comb contact.

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Newer Sensor

New

Old


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Swapping Solenoids


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In most cases swapping a solenoid with one that looks just like it is usual

case of the 5R110W there can be an issue.

The solenoids all look the same even after they are removed from the sole

always mean if it looks like a duck that it will quack like a duck, the soleno

SSPC-C

SSPC-D

SSPC-E

PC-A

TCC

SSPC-B

SSPC-A

SSPC-C

SSPC-D

SSPC-E

Swapping Solenoids


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TCC, SSPC-B, SSPC-C & SSPC-E

"Directly" Proportional Solenoids

(1 Amp = Maximum Pressure)

PC-A, SSPC-A

"Inversely" Proport

(0 Amp = Maximu

The TCC, SSPC-B, SSPC-C and the SSPC-E are all directly proportional sol

controlled amperage is high the solenoid regulates maximum pressure.

The PC-A, SSPC-A and the SSPC-D are all inversely proportional solenoids

controlled amperage is low the solenoid regulates maximum pressure.

From the back of the solenoid you can easily identify which is directly prop

inversely proportional.

Swapping Solenoids


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On the front of the solenoids you can also see the 3 different tab l

On the inversely proportional solenoids the PC-A tab (line) is in a

than the others.

"Directly" Pr"Inversely" Proportional Solenoids

PC-A

Center

SSPC-A & SSPC-D

Low

TCC, SS

&

High

Swapping Solenoids


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So, if that’s the case then we should be able to swap any directly or invers

solenoid with another just like it.

Yes you can, but the exception to the rule is the PC-A solenoid (line). This

next to another directly proportional solenoid you can see a difference.

The inversely proportional PC-A (line) has a smaller orifice near the tip of t

at approximately 190 psi while the others like it only regulate at 140 psi.

When swapping the PC-A solenoid with SSPC-D may

result in a firmer upshift or downshift complaint.

The shifts are synchronized so engine tune and clutch

clearances may be a factor.

On 2008 is some cases has set code P2703 (Direct clutch

failed on of off) for clutch apply too fast.

Swapping it the other way would cause low max line.

PC-A, SSPC-A & SSPC-D

"Inversely" Proportional Solenoids

(0 Amp = Maximum Pressure)

Understanding Clutch Apply


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It’s much easier to repair a transmission when you know how it works. The 5R110W i

speeds at times but only utilizes 5 speeds.

Looking at the chart below you can see that the 4th gear ratio is only commanded bel

Now this may not be an issue here in south Florida where I live but it can be confusin

this same vehicle for the first time in the northern states of the U.S. or Canada

(a) PCM calibr

pressure se

(b) Cold strateg

(c) 30 psi until 3

(d) Clutch appl

MIL Light On, Codes P0751, P0730 and/or P2


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While working on a 2009-2011 Ford E350, E450, F-Super Duties, F53 Stripp

Motorhomes equipped with the Torqshift transmission, you may experien

codes P0751 SSPCA circuit coast cutch solenoid failure, P0730 gear ratio

coast clutch failed on or off stored in the computer system.

It has been determined that the coast clutch drum weld may be cracked an

recommends replacing the coast clutch drum with part # 7C3Z-7G387-B.

These drums may air check well cold on the bench but

once they heat up that’s when the leak will appear. Added Weld To Pr

Sets DTC’s P2700 & P0751, No Movemen


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Coast clutch drum failure is common on the Torqshift. A cracked drum or

circuit is will set P2700 and P0751 DTC’s.

There may not be any driveability symptoms other than code setting. If the

broken as shown, you will have no movement forward or reverse. A broke

P0730 stored.

The P2700 sets when the TCM sees the incorrect

engine RPM vs road speed during coast down whenTCM is commanding the coast clutch on.

The P2700 is a gear ratio error code. When the coast clutch

does not apply the TCM also sets P0751, SSPC-A

coast clutch solenoid stuck off.

When diagnosing codes P2700 and P0751 install new

SSPC-A solenoid, clear codes and road test.

If the codes still set, expect to find a cracked drum ormolded piston problem.

Manual Code Retrieval On LCF Trucks


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If you do not have the scan tool or software that can communicat

Series truck.

Just use the following procedure for manual flash code retrieval.

1. Turn the key to ON but do not start the engine.

2. Place the shifter in the 2 position.

3. Press the Tow/Haul switch 4 times within 4 seconds, this will inretrieval.

Manual Code Retrieval On LCF Trucks


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Once the process is initiated the following sequence will communicate an

1 The Check Trans, Trans Temp and Tow/Haul indicator lamps all turn on a

indicate the diagnostic mode has been entered.

2 The Check Trans and Trans Temp indicators turn off. The Tow/Haul indic

3 The Check Trans indicator will then communicate each digit of any fault

Tr

Tem

Example 1 flash = 1, 3 flashes = 3. There will be a pause between each of tcode. 1 flash pause 2 flashes pause 2 flashes pause = code 122 / P0711 T

4 If more than one fault code is present the Trans Temp indicator will flash

fault code.

5 When all fault codes have been flashed the Trans Temp indicator will flas

Tow/Haul indicator will turn off.

Check

Trans !

Tow

Haul

Manual Code Clearing On LCF Trucks

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The stored fault codes can be cleared as follows:

1 Turn the key to On but do not start the engine.

2 Place the shift selector in the D position and push the Tow/Haul

3 Pace the shift selector in the N position and push the Tow/Haul s

4 Place the shift selector in the R position and push the Tow/Haul

5 Place the shift selector in the P position and push the Tow/Haul

6 The Check Trans, Trans Temp and Tow/Haul indicators will then

indicate that all codes have been cleared.

Ford LCF Trucks 3 Digit Flash/OBD2 Code Lis


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Transmission OverheatingTransmission overheating issues check the cooler bypass thermal elemen


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Transmission overheating issues check the cooler bypass thermal elemen

stator support.

Hold the element with a pair of needle nose pliers and heat it up with a lig

protrude out as seen below.

Blocking the valve inward with a spacer that measures the same length as

extended is fine in some warm areas but not recommended for colder area

.190”

F

Low Diode FailureTrucks that do NOT have an external filter may experience low diode failure during ex

di i ( 10º l ) i d l di i Th d l WITH


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1. Remote Filter adapter assembly with cooler bypass

2. Oil-to-air (OTA) auxiliary cooler

3. Radiator-in-tank cooler

4. Transmission

5. Transmission fluid cooler fitting (fluid flowing out)

6. Transmission fluid cooler fitting (fluid flowing in)

7. Transmission fluid cooler fitting (fluid flowing into remote

8. Transmission fluid cooler line (fluid flowing into radiator-

9. Transmission fluid cooler line (fluid flowing into oil-to-air

10. Transmission fluid cooler line (fluid flowing from OTA in

11. Transmission fluid cooler fitting (fluid flowing from remo

Cooler BypassRemote Filter

Assembly

conditions (-10º or lower) or a restricted cooler condition. The models WITH an exter

bypass circuit built in to provide lube flow in the event of any cooler flow problem.

With the external filter removed this failure can occur because there is no safety oil f

lubrication flow if the cooler flow becomes restricted or plugged.

2006-07 Ford trucks that are equipped

with an external inline filter can be

identified by the stator casting number

RF5C3P-7B324-AB.2008-2009 Trucks that are NOT equipped

with an external inline filter can be

identified by stator number

RF5C3P-7B324-AC.

2006-07

2008-09

Low Diode FailureDuring extreme cold temperatures, cooler flow may become restricted as


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increased fluid viscosity. The bypass orifice located within the external fi

lube flow during these conditions.2006-07

Low Diode FailureThere is new design pump cover assembly that has an orifice feed


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RF5C3P-7B324-AC

2008-09 WithoutExternal Filter

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passage and the lube passage. This will provide cold lube flow to

extreme cold climates or with a restricted cooler on all models.

RF5C3P-7B324-AB

2006-07 WithExternal Filter

Low Diode Failure


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The new design pump assembly

will provide low diode lube flow in

extreme cold situations and/or

with a restricted cooler.

The width of the orifice is .078”wide and the depth is .050” deep.

2008-09

Leaking out of the vent can be caused by dipstick hitting valve body and n

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Venting Issues


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down to the bottom of the pan.

This would give a false reading on the dipstick and too much fluid would b

transmission.

A bracket could be made from some thin sheet metal and bolted to the val

prevent the dipstick from contacting the valve body and stop this from occ

Note: some dipsticks have been known to be too short right from the factory. Check leaving the pan off with the dipstick inserted the full mark should be even with the pa

Bracket

Venting IssuesThe pump is cross leaking between the halves. The options to correct this


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new pump or have the existing pump machined.

A new pump is flat however it may develop the same problem down the ro

through some hot and cold cycles.

A used pump that has been machined will be

more stable and is less likely develop the problemagain. The key to using the old pump is having it

machined correctly.

Talk to your local machinist, explain the complaint

and express your concerns about the pump being

flat.

There is one more less costly alternative to this

problem a fix by TransGo shown on the followingpages.

Venting Issues TransGo Fix (Kit # 5R110 VeMake a new vent circuit. Using suitable bolts and washers; bolt the Guide

the stator


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the stator.

Line up the center hole of the guide plate with the left side of the vent hole

Using the plate as a guide use a 1/4” drill (.250) and remove approx. 1/2 of

wall. When done, it will look like the picture on the right. It’s not fussy.

Remove burrs with a small file.

Kit # 5R1

Guide Plate

Venting Issues TransGo Fix (Kit # 5R110 Ve

Then install the tapered cup (freeze) plug into the vent hole from the other


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This will reroute the vent into an area of the pump stator with no pressure

cross leaks inside the pump. This will prevent any accidental venting.

Special thanks to Mark Puc

for the information

Shift / Engagement Complaints Solenoid PerformaAll these issue can be caused by a worn solenoid body. There is only the o

valve body so it’s really nothing more than an aluminum solenoid block


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valve body so it s really nothing more than an aluminum solenoid block.

The problem is on vehicles with high mileage the bores that hold the solen

leak. The complaints may only show up when hot.

Always check to see if there is any play between the bore for the solenoid

the solenoid. The solenoid body will have to be replaced.

Manual Valve

Checked the PCM and MLPS could not find a problem. Replaced both and

There was also a complaint of an intermittent no start condition

Falling Out Of Gear / Limp Mode At Startup / MLP


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There was also a complaint of an intermittent no start condition.

Only code found was for the electronic fan clutch. At times when the elect

on it caused erratic range switch data on the scan tool. Unplugged the fan

went back to normal.

A closer look revealed the pigtail wires run down the fan shroud had worn

these problems.

After changing the fan clutch and (pigtail attached) everything worked oka

The complaint has appeared on our tech line a few times with a few F250/3

high gear while driving down the highway Also a complaint of intermittent

Rear Tires Locking Up While Driving Down The H


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high gear while driving down the highway. Also a complaint of intermittent

There is no TSB or recall on this problem. After chasing several things suc

possible cross leak issues.

It was finally fixed by replacing the PCM.

It’s a lot to ask a tech to take a movie snap shot with a scan tool while slid

at 60-70 mph to see what the PCM was possibly commanding.

2005-06 Models

On late model units 2008 and up, if the Low/Reverse clutches are burnt or

planet assembly must be replaced The planet can be purchased from the

Low/Reverse Planetary Gear Set Interchan


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planet assembly must be replaced. The planet can be purchased from the

The alternative is to use the earlier Low/Reverse clutches and steels, Plan

assembly. The early Low/Reverse clutch pack only has a five (5) clutch pa

You must use six (6) clutch fibers and six (6) steels to complete the interch

Early Pre-2008 Low/Reverse

planet with separate clutches

and sprag assembly Late 2008-up Lo

planet with integ

and sprag a

Low/Reverse Planetary Gear Set InterchanThe late and the early planet/clutch assemblies have the same clearance a

between years


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between years.

Just by replace the .220”

thick bottom plate on the

early Low/Reverse clutch

pack with a steel, clutch

and another steel.

Early L/R Clutch La


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Low/Reverse Planetary Gear Set Interchan You must place the two thrust washers on both sides of the plane

l th l t it th t d t th th t h


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clearance on the late units that do not carry the thrust washer.

Low/Reverse Planet

Clearance


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This could be caused by the wrong TCC control valve being installed into

two different lengths for the TCC control valve, the early 2003-04 and the 2

Intermittent No Movement After Rebuild


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With the early 2003-04 valve (shorter) installed into a 2005 and later pump

spring tension on TCC control valve spring. There will be approximately 1

valve.

The over all difference in length between the two valves is 0.200” almost a

2003-04

2005

Over All Length 3.770”

Over All Length 3.570”

If the valves are different then there must be something different in the sta

TCC control valve bore is .200” deeper on the 2005 and later stator suppo

Intermittent No Movement After Rebuild


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p pp

Intermittent No Movement After RebuildThis will allow the shorter valve to intermittently move into a position that

feed oil.


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ConverterFeed

2003-04 2005

2005 Pump Stator


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