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UNITED STATES ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY RIVERFRONT SUPERFUND SITE

OPERABLE UNITS 2 AND 6 NEW HAVEN, MISSOURI

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PUBLIC HEARING

August 10, 2010 9:00 A.M.

TRINITY LUTHERAN CHURCH 9521 HIGHWAY 100

NEW HAVEN, MISSOURI 63068

Patsy A. Hertweck, C. C. R.

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Public Hearing August 10, 2010

UNITED STATES ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY

RIVERFRONT SUPERFUND SITE

OPERABLE UNITS 2 AND 6

NEW HAVEN, MISSOURI

TRANSCRIPT OF PUBLIC HEARING

AUGUST 10, 2010

HELD AT THE

TRINITY LUTHERAN CHURCH

9521 HIGHWAY 100

NEW HAVEN, MISSOURI 63 068

Reported By:

Patsy A. Hertweck, C. C. R.

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Public Hearing

I N D E X

PROCEEDINGS

INTRODUCTION

PRESENTATION BY MR. FIELD

PUBLIC COMMENTS

Residents:

Mr. Keith Strobel

Mr. Bernard Laune

Mr. Kent Vedder

Ms. Ann Holt

Mr. Tom Duvall

Ms. Patricia Stover

Ms. Beleda Pierce

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A P P E A R A N C E S

ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY:

Mr. DeAndre Singletary, Branch Chief

Mr. Jeff Field, Remedial Program Manager

David A. Hoefer, Attorney

Mr. Dianna Whitaker, Public Affairs Coordinator

OTHERS

MDNR:

Mr. Evan Kifer

USGS:

Mr. John Schumacher

REPRESENTATIVE LUTKEMEYER'S OFFICE:

Mr. Dan Engemann

BLACK & VEATCH ENGINEERING:

Mr. Rob Blake

KELLWOOD COMPANY AND PARSON:

Mr. Steve Poplawski

Mr. Lee Gorday

MISSOURI RURAL WATER ASSOCIATION:

Mr. J im Balmer

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P R O C E E D I N G S

(August 10, 2010)

MR. FIELD: Good evening, everyone. My

name is Jeff Field. I'm the remedial project manager for

the Riverfront Site for the EPA, and the purpose of

tonight's meeting is to talk about and to present to the

citizenry here the proposed plan showing our, or EPA's,

preferred alternative to for dealing with the situation on

0U2 and 0U6.

Before I get started, we have John

Schumacher from USGS, Rob Blake from Black and Veatch, Evan

Kifer with MDNR. We have a representative from

Representative Lutkemeyer's office, Mr. Dan Engemann is

here.

Along with those lines, I'd like to go ahead

and set some basic ground rules. We have the court

reporter here to take the minutes of the --of the meeting

here.

If you have a comment or a question during

the discussion period, if you'd stand up, state your name,

spell your name for her, she can get all this down without

any errors. And what I would like to do is, during the

course of the presentation and subsequent questions or

comments, you need to stick or I'd like to stick to t:he 0U2

and OUS areas.

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Then once we get finished with all the

comments and questions related to 0U2 and 0U6, we'll be

happy to field other questions. Okay. All right.

So what I'm going to do is I'm just going to

go through a presentation that I put together basically

outlining the process that we go through for a Superfund

site up to this point in time. And I'm going to go through

some of the data that was collected during the remedial

investigation, talk about some of the alternatives or all

of the alternatives that are in the feasibility study, and

briefly discuss the EPA's preferred alternative at this

time.

A couple of people here, the new branch

chief -- I think the last time I was here my branch chief

was Diane Easley. My new branch chief is DeAndre

Singletary. David Hoefer is our site attorney, and Dianna

Whitaker, who's up front taking everybody's name. These

are all team members, and they're faces I'm sure you're

familiar with.

Just a basic background on the Superfund

process all the way from discovery. And discovery in this

case of Riverfront was mid 1980s. I think it was '86 in

which PCE was discovered in some of the public wells. And

for this particular 0U2 and 0U6, we're at the proposed plan

stage. And with that proposed stage we discussed the

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preferred alternative, and we opened the public comment

period, which has now been extended to, I believe, the

first week of November. So we've extended that.

MR. KEIFER: October 4th.

MR. FIELD: October 4th. Thank you. So

there's an extended period of time for everybody to read

over the proposed plan. The administrative record at the

library now has the remedial investigation, the feasibility

study, copies of the proposed plan, and other information

related to 0U2 and 0U6. So feel free to go down there and

peruse those.

Operable 2, Operative Unit 2, is bigger than

this, but this is the area that's north of the former

Kellwood facility, and I'll be referring to that area as

the Landfarm area. The reason it's called the Landfarm

area is that MNDR many years ago conducted a remedial

action or removal action of which they land farmed some of

the contaminated soils at that site. So instead of

referring to it as the vacant lot or as the plot of land

north of the facility, I'll be referring to it as the

landfarm area.

This is a basic outline of Operable Unit 2

that's shown up in a lot of the previous investigations,

make up Boeuf Lutheran Road down to the south along Highway

C. That's the area that we kind of call Wildcat Creek

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Estates, that's where the majority of the residents reside.

That's what I'll be referring to 0U6 as.

Just a little site investigation history. I

mentioned the discovery back in 1986, and in 2000, we

listed it on the NPL. We've selected a remedy that

presented a remedy for OUl on Front Street. We have a

remedial action in place at 0U3, 0U5 and 0U4, Last year we

implemented a remedy with a ROD that is now currently going

through remedial design. So we're designing that remedy

now. And so this 0U2 and 0U6 is to be the last operable

unit for Riverfront that will be implemented remedy of.

Remedial investigation is broken into five

separate tasks, and the first task was soil investigation.

You can see the goal of the soil investigation was to

characterize the extent and magnitude of VOCs in the soil

and in the immediate vicinity of the former Kellwood

facility from the landfarm area. And they set up a -- this

was all through an approved work plan they submitted to us

for review. MDNR reviewed it and approved it, and they've

been conducting the work since then.

Forty-two soil borings were installed as

part of this task. I'll be going over the results as we go

through this.

Task 2 was the groundwater investigation.

Again, the intent of the investigation was to define the

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vertical extent and characterize the horizontal and

vertical extent and magnitude of VOCs in groundwater.

this particular area of Missouri is --

contains a lot of fractured bedrock, a lot of faulting. It

makes it very complex in dealing with the contaminants. So

the groundwater investigation focused on how these affected

the distribution and migration of VOCs in the subsurface.

There were seven sub-tasks associated with

that. 2a was an interval screening at JS-14 and JS-36.

JS-14 and JS-36 are on the far western end of Boeuf

Lutheran Road, which is Riese and Duvall Wells. It was

critical to do a screening study at these wells because we

had to know why there was PCE showing up in those wells and

how it got in there. So there was a lot work done there.

That was submitted by Parsons in a single report, and is

part of the ROD,

The direct-push sampling was for soil

sampling and for sampling done down Industrial Drive Road

sampling down -- soils down the middle of the road looking

for PCE contamination.

The residential well sampling is

self-explanatory. There have been a number of samplings in

all residential wells have been sampled over the course of

the remedial investigation.

And fourth, monitoring well installation and

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sampling. Sites right now we're sampling which included

residential and monitoring sampling, the aquifer testing,

which is a critical test that was done at City Well 3. I

believe 4 was testing the connectivity between different

formations and see how the draw-down in those wells

affected the other wells in the area that they were able to

put in some monitoring wells.

And the last surveying which they surveyed

all, entering all the monitoring wells into a data base.

Task 3 is a critical task, and that was a

dense non-aqueous phase liquid investigation. And this

basically is pure PCE that still exists in the subsurface

of landfarm herein, such as the fractured bedrock.

It consisted of coring holes in the upper

portion of the bedrock basically where the PCE was supposed

to have occurred in the grid system, and a total of 22 core

holes were drilled. This is a very, very intensive, very

important part of the investigation.

Task 4, sediment and surface water

investigation. Based on earlier investigation from USGS

there were detections of PCE coming out of outcrops and

some of the creek south of 0U2.

Sediment samples were taken, and surface

water samples were also taken. You can see the

constituents that were selected for analysis. Those are

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all included in the RI,

Sewer sampling was also conducted, both

north of Highway 100 and south of Highway 100, based on

some earlier detections of PCE on sewer lines I believe

John had detected in some of his investigation. That was

carried over into this remedial investigation, and was done

mostly to find -- see if we could find any PCE near the

former Kellwood facility that might have moved off-site

through the sewers,

Soil vapor sampling was done in groundwater.

The sample from a little bit east of the school, high

school, there was a well to be put in place there to define

the western boundary, A sample came up with PCE detection.

With that detection, we got with Kellwood and Parsons and

did a more thorough soil vapor sampling around the school

to make sure there was no impact to the school.

And then we moved that well further west to

define the clean line. The reason all these things were

done, again, is to find a define the nature and extent of

the contamination.

The chemicals of concern here are

tetrachlorethylene, which is PCE, trichlorethylene which is

TCE, and 1, 2 dichlorethylene and vinyl chloride. And

these, the distribution that's going to occur is in the

order that I showed you in the remedial investigation.

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Distribution of COCs in soils. With all the

sampling done by EPA with USGS and Parsons, all the soil

sampling indicates that the extent of PCE and TCE is

limited to the landfarm area. There's a little bit down

here, probably another down Industrial Drive underneath the

road and underneath the facility itself, and an open lot

northwest of the former facility, which is over here. This

is an area behind the mill. That's defined as A3. There's

Al down the road. That's for soils.

Distribution of DNAPL was detected in five

core holes. Remember we did have 22 put in, and detecting

two core holes outside the northwest portion of the former

Kellwood facility and the landfarm area. It was detected

at depths ranging from 4 to 22 feet below ground surface,

and this is the only area in both operable units where we

could find DNAPL.

The other PCEs are in dissolved phase that's

moved off-site.

PCE, TCE and 1, 2-DCE have been detected in

the four laterally transmissive zones. And I referred to

earlier the structure, the subsurface and the fractured

bedrock has been a very complex and defining the flow paths

or possible flow path for PCE and the other constituents as

what we found is that there are four laterally transmissive

zones going down to the subsurface.

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The unconsolidated deposits above the

bedrock, some people refer to an overburden, the upper

sandstone marker bed of the Cotter Dolomite, and we've used

that sandstone marker bed throughout 0U2 and 0U6. As it's

cored down and wells are installed, we always look for that

marker bed.

The Swan Creek Sandstone was another

important part of the -- this particular bed we always look

for in the Cotter Dolomite, and then the lower Jefferson

City Dolomite and the Roubidoux Formation,

Those are the lower formations in which

wells themselves have been affected.

PCE, we believe remain in those upper

residential zones and slowly got down to a conduit in well

construction down into the deeper formations.

Distribution of COCs in sanitary sewer and

adjacent soils. They sampled. If you look at the RI, they

did extensive sampling around the sewer. The good thing

here was there were no detections of COCs in sewer sediment

and soil sampling of sewers north of Highway 100. They did

a lot of -- they ran a camera through the soils looking for

defects in the pipe. The defects were thought to maybe be

avenues for exfiltration. That's where they did the soil

sampling thinking that that's maybe where PCE has exited

the pipe. All that data was collected and shown.

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Distribution of COCs in surface water and

sediments, There was some PCE detected in surface water

coming out of the formations into some of the streams along

600 tributary in the Wildcat Creek Estates area. All this

data was rolled into an eco -- ecological risk assessment,

not just a baseline health risk assessment.

It was also detected at low levels at Boeuf

Lutheran Road crossing of the 500 tributary that was below

screening criteria, and PCE was detected at concentration

below the screening level in one sample, and no other

sediment samples contained PCE,

Distribution of COCs in soil vapor samples

were not detected with the exception of one at 200

micrograms per cubic meter in SVI-5, This concentration is

below tier 1 risk-based levels. We ran that by our

internal risk assessors as to the level of concern. All

that information that was gathered through those tests and

remedial investigation were put into the risk assessment

machine, if you will, to define possible risks.

And the way the risk assessment works it

evaluates exposures to carcinogenic and non-carcinogenic

contaminants. This was completed June 2010, and this is

the range that we look at. The EPA considers a risk

unacceptable when the total excess lifetime cancer risk for

a reasonable maximum exposure exceeds 1 in 10,000, Total

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excess lifetime cancer risk below 1 to the 10 minus 6, or

one in a million, are considered acceptable with a 10 to

the minus 4 to 10 minus 6 is the range that we look at for

risk management decisions.

The non-carcinogenic in human risks may

exist when the total hazardous index, or HI, exceeds 1, So

you have a cancer risk number, and you have an HI number.

The conclusions of the health risk

assessment which drives the implementation of a remedy is:

one, total cancer risk and the total health index excess

target ranges for potential for residents in 0U2, Now you

remember 0U2 is commercial/industrial. The risk assessors

run a different scenario for different target risks, and

the future resident scenario was one.

So there would be a cancer risk, and it

would exceed target ranges through incidental ingestion,

inhalation via contact with any type of soils, inhalation

of indoor air, volatizing from soil or groundwater, and

ingestion of groundwater from future drinking water wells.

Again, this area is zoned for commercial and

residential. So the scenario was run, but it is not a

residential and it won't be a residential if the zoning

doesn't change or environmental covenants are put in place

other activity or use limitations.

Total cancer risk and total health hazard

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index exceed target ranges for industrial workers through

inhalation of indoor air in the area where DNAPL is present

at the former Kellwood facility. Pure product is going to

be hazardous,

The total cancer risk and hazard index

exceed the target ranges for residents in 0U6 using

groundwater as a tap water prior to any treatment, So

prior to any water treatment using any carbon unit that

will be put in place, the risk exists. So those units can

mitigate any risk.

The risk is primarily driven from ingestion

of PCE in deep groundwater. Thus, treatment must be

maintained at these homes.

The total cancer risk is within the target

range for residents living near the former Kellwood

facility via inhalation of indoor air volatizing from

groundwater and the total hazard index is below target

levels,

Again, there's nobody living near those --

the former Kellwood facility that would have a problem with

the indoor air. But again, it's a scenario that the risk

assessors run.

The results of the comparisons of the soil

gas samples collected near the high school, again, there

was only one detection of PCE, It did exceed the EPA

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residential air screening level, and is below the EPA

industrial screening level and all Missouri target levels

for both residential and non-residential use.

Okay, This is -- this is important. Given

that the exposure assumptions for a teacher, administrator,

janitorial scenario would be similar to an industrial

worker scenario, A residential level does not apply. It

applies it to our -- a -- doesn't apply to the residential

screening, which is a total different set of criteria.

From remedial investigation, all the data

that's again compiled and put into risk assessment. The

next step is the development of the feasibility study, and

the development of the feasibility study. Alternatives are

looked at that provide technologies that deal with the

contaminated whether soil, groundwater, air, what have you.

And all those technologies and alternatives are packaged

together, and they're evaluated by nine criteria that are

established in the Code of Federal Regulations that we

adhere to.

Part of those nine criteria are threshold

criteria. And the first one here is overall protection of

human health and the environment. When we look at the

alternatives, the alternatives are screened to see whether

an alternative would achieve adequate protection and how

sit risks would be eliminated, reduced, or controlled

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through treatment, engineering, or institutional controls.

Okay. They'll all -- all those alternatives

are screened by outlined criteria.

The next one is compliance with applicable

or relevant and appropriate requirements, whether an

alternative would meet all federal and state ARARs for the

site.

What an ARAR is, for example, would be the

groundwater in ARAR would be EPA MCL the maximum

contaminant level, which is 5. Missouri has water quality

standard numbers. That would be an MCL or an ARAR. If it

was an air issue, there are air numbers. So things like

that are ARARs, and all alternatives are screened to make

sure they meet ARARs.

If they can't meet ARARs, a waiver would

have to be given. We don't have that situation here. All

of except for the no-action, all achieve ARAR,

Next is the balancing criteria. All

alternatives are analyzed for long-term effectiveness and

permanence. One, by assessing the magnitude of the

residual risk remaining from untreated waste or treatment

residual remaining at the conclusion of remedial

activities,

In other words, when we implement a remedy

and at the end of those times where we think that all

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samplings has been done, it should be below the levels to

where we're comfortable saying our remedy has been

successful; and two, by assessing the adequacy and

reliability of controls such as containment systems and

institutional controls that are necessary to manage

treatment residuals and untreated waste.

If the situation arises where say, for

example, some of the DNAPL on the landfarm area can be

recovered from the fractured bedrock where it can't be

taken out of the soil, And we have taken another step by

instituting maybe activity or use limitations on that

particular plot of land where you couldn't dig, you

couldn't hold public events, anything to reduce potential

risk.

Another of the balancing criteria is that

each of the alternatives must have reduction of toxicity,

mobility, or volume through treatment, which assesses the

degree to size media, soil, groundwater, air, will be

treated to permanently and significantly reduce toxicity,

mobility or volume of site contaminants.

So when all those alternatives for the

preferred plan are looked at with chem ox, thermally

enhanced vapor extraction, they have to meet this

requirement. They have to reduce the volume, the mobility,

the toxicity of all those contaminants. And we believe the

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preferred or the alternative we selected does those.

Now, the balancing criteria or the

short-term effectiveness which has to do with when the

implementation of the remedy will occur, whether there is a

risk associated or to risk associated with nearby residents

or workers.

Implementability is how easy or how

difficult it is for a remedy to be implemented. For

example, the thermally enhanced vapor extraction system

would require an immense amount of electrical power brought

into Operable Unit 2 to run those heaters. Okay. That's

not easily implementable as injecting chem ox into the

ground or pumping or bailing DNAPL out of the hole. So the

implementability is always looked at.

Again, last is cost. The two important ones

that have a lot of weight to them is state acceptance and

community acceptance of the preferred alternative. Okay.

That's where the public comment period comes in for

community acceptance.

These are -- these are the alternatives that

were provided in the feasibility study.

Alternative 1 was a no action. That's

required by the NCP, and that is nothing occurs at the

site. Okay. That's done to use as a baseline for all the

other alternatives to compare it to.

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Alternative 2a is DNAPL recovery of the

DNAPL landfarm area followed by in situ chemical oxidation,

whole-house treatment units, institutional controls and

groundwater monitoring.

Alternative 2d, which should be 2b, add

alternate water supply to 2a.

Alternative 2c is DNAPL recovery followed by

in situ chemical oxidation, whole-house treatment,

institutional controls, in situ groundwater remediation,

and groundwater monitoring.

Alternative 2d add alternate water component

to 2c,

Alternative 3a is thermal treatment of

DNAPL, whole-house treatment units, institutional controls,

groundwater monitoring,

3b adds the alternate water supply

component,

Alternative 4a is thermal treatment DNAPL

and soil Area 3 which is underneath the facility,

whole-house treatment units, institutional controls, and

groundwater monitoring,

4b adds bioremediation for groundwater.

4c adds in situ chemical oxidation of

groundwater,

4d is different. It adds chemical reduction

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of ground water.

Alternative 5 in situ chemical oxidation of

the DNAPL area. Area A-3, and ground water, whole-house

treatment units, institutional controls, and groundwater

monitoring.

Alternative 6 is the last one I believe, in

situ chemical reduction as opposed to the oxidation in 5,

DNAPL area. Area A-3, groundwater, whole-house treatment

units, institutional controls, and groundwater monitoring.

EPA looked at all these and marked these

alternatives, and our preferred alternative for dealing

with 0U2 and 0U6 was Alternative 2c, which consists of

DNAPL recovery which would continue in existing wells and

the landfarm area,

In addition, DNAPL recovery wells would be

installed in the north and the west or the north end of the

Kellwood facility, former Kellwood facility. The use of

these wells for continued DNAPL recovery would continue

until recovery becomes impracticable.

In other words, there's going to be a point

in time where the recovery methods are no longer -- I guess

we would come to a point of diminishing return. It's no

longer practicable cost-wise or time-wise to extract any

more. We can't extract any more. We've got the primary

amount that we can expect from the bedrock, and after that

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-- after the DNAPL recovery efforts have been exhausted,

the recovery wells may be utilized for in situ chemical

oxidation treatment of the residual contamination within

the bedrock on the landfarm area.

The existing wells and the additional wells

put in place will be used as conduits to put the chemical

oxidation material, subsurface, get into those fractures in

the bedrock, get into the bedrock, diffuse through and

interact with the remaining PCE.

The chemical oxidation treatment will be

repeated periodically as needed in the landfarm area until

nearby and downgradient monitoring wells indicate that COC

levels have reached the RAOs objectives, and those are

levels that will be established in the remedial design, or

monitoring indicates that further treatment will not

continue to effectively reduce the concentrations of COC,

Again, that's a possibility at the point of

diminishing return.

Monitoring wells will be installed in the

vicinity of the treatment area to evaluate the

effectiveness of the treatment. Whole-house water

treatment units will be provided and maintained for

residences with contaminated groundwater with a COC above

the MCL.

One of the reasons that that's in place was

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that component was a major component of an administrative

order or consent that we did will Kellwood to provide

whole-house treatment systems for residences that were

affected by PCE. That component needs to be carried over

into the remedial action. So that won't stop.

Institutional controls will consist of the

well construction restrictions as described in 10 CSR,

which is a special Area 3 designation which the Missouri

legislature passed.

How many years ago was that? A few years

ago?

MR. KEIFER: I want to say 2006.

MR. FIELD: Which required additional

well construction requirements on any wells within that

special area designation.

And of course, groundwater monitoring will

be conducted to monitor the changes in the concentration of

COCs over time. This includes the monitoring of

residential wells.

Analysis of alternatives. Again,

requirements were required under CERCLA and the National

Contingency Plan for remedial actions that must be

addressed in the ROD, which is the next step after the

proposed plan and the public comment period supported by

the FS report are listed below.

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Remedial actions must: be protective of

human health and the environment; attain ARARs, or provide

grounds for invoking a waiver; be cost-effective; utilize

permanent solutions and alternate treatment technology or

resource recovery technologies to the maximum extent

practicable; and satisfies the preference for treatment

that reduces toxicity, mobility, or volume as a principal

threat a principal element or provide an explanation in the

ROD as to why it does not.

The DNAPL is classified as a principal

threat. As a principal threat, DNAPL has to be addressed

by and satisfy the treatment. The DNAPL is toxic, mobile;

therefore, it is classified as a principal threat, and has

to be addressed for treated.

We believe Alternative C is compliant with

--it does fall under all the nine criteria. Being the

last two are still in question.

MDNR at this time is still reviewing all the

information regarding the RI and FS. We haven't got a

concurrence letter on that. We hope to have one soon.

MR, KEIFER: We've recommended -- staff

has recommended concurrence, but we're still in the

process.

MR, FIELD: Okay, Great, That, of

course, is community acceptable. That is opportunities

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that we're providing to you to look at and review and to

provide comment on.

The decision will follow and review of

public comments. All public comments that are received

will be put into the Responsiveness Summary that's

attachment to the Record of Decision. And again, it runs

-- it started last week and run through October 1. Again,

it will be published in the Record of Decision.

The administrative record file is at the

library. We have at the regional office. I don't think we

have copies of the proposed plan here. The investigation

is rather extensive. It's 1,600 pages. The FS is a little

smaller. It provides more of a brief synopsis of what's

occurred, plus talks about the risks, and then it delves to

the alternative components.

If you have written comments or if you'd

like to e-mail comments, then please send them to Dianna

Whitaker. There's her address and her e-mail. And again,

all those comments will be addressed in the Responsiveness

Summary.

Questions?

MR. STROBEL: What about new wells?

MR. FIELD: New wells?

MS, REPORTER: I need the name,

MR, FIELD: Please stand up and state

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Public Hearing

your name for the court

MR.

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last name.

MR.

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MR,

to drill a new well?

MR.

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reporter.

STROBEL: Keith Strobel,

REPORTER: Would you spell your

STROBEL: S-T-R-0-B-E-L,

REPORTER: Thank you.

STROBEL: What about if a guy wants

FIELD: In a special Area 3

STROBEL: Well, on the farm land

out there and that's here what we're talking about.

MR.

special Area 3 designat

FIELD: Okay. If it falls in the

ion, all wells would have to be

constructed according to those requirements per MDNR's

regulations.

MR. STROBEL: Then will you be -- then

will the -- the well owner, will he have the liability

there? If the toxins go down his well and get into New

Haven's well water, then the person that has the well dug.

is he liable?

MR.

to my site attorney.

MR.

the attorney for EPA,

FIELD: I'd have to defer liability

HOEFER: I am David Hoefer. I'm

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Keith, I'm sorry, what was -- what was the

question? If you want to put a well into the area --

MR. STROBEL: Well, take me through the

whole scenario. If I want to drill a well, do I just call

Sun Brother's Well Drilling up and tell them to come drill

a well?

MR. HOEFER: You can do that. When

they come out there, they're going to have to follow the

State regulations on putting a well in that area.

MR. STROBEL: Right.

MR. HOEFER: So you can put a well in

there, yes.

MR. STROBEL: But, I mean, that's the

end of it for me. Clem takes care of -- Clem goes to

whoever and takes care of it all, and I mean, is that at my

expense? I heard they're more expensive for a --

MR. HOEFER: It is a more expensive

well.

MR. STROBEL: And that'd be my cost?

MR. HOEFER: That would be your cost if

-- I know that in the past we've had some instances where

people were putting wells in that required additional

expense, and Kellwood Company paid that incremental cost,

the additional expense.

I can't speak for Kellwood, and I can't tell

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you whether they're -- they're not obligated under the

agreement that we currently have with them to pay for that

incremental expense.

I know historically they have done that, but

again, I cannot commit -- I can't speak for them.

MR. STROBEL: So you're setting up a

system where prior to this contamination, I could go get a

well for 6,000 bucks, no haggle, no nothing, and now I'm up

to how much? Maybe they could tell me how much they paid

for them last few. You fellows want to say what they paid

for that one?

MR. GORDAY: Well, there's no way we

could speculate on what it would be.

MR. STROBEL: You ain't got to

speculate. You already wrote the checks. Just tell me

what those cost. You don't have to tell me what mine might

cost. No, you ain't going to do that. So -- so I got --

so I got to pay extra for a well through no fault of my

own.

MR. HOEFER: The well is going to be

more expensive, correct.

MR. STROBEL: And I got to pay for it?

MR, HOEFER: You -- you may have

recourse. I'm not -- I don't represent you, Keith, and I

don't -- I can't give you legal advice. You may have

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recourse against --

MR. STROBEL: Well, if I want to go

down to Bryan Cave and take on the biggest law firm in the

Midwest, then I might stand a chance to get some of that

paid for. Is that what you're telling me?

MR, HOEFER: If you want to engage an

attorney to advise you on this, you're free to do that,

MR, STROBEL: All right. We've got two

-- you're telling us we all need a whole-house filtration

system. We've got two people right here sitting side by

side. One's got a whole-house filtration system, and the

other one hooks onto city water,

I'd like for them two to stand up and tell

me what they think about what -- the way they got it now.

If you don't mind, Bernard and Kent,

MR. LAUNE: I'm Bernard Laune,

L-A-U-N-E, I've been on city water, I don't know -- what,

how long has this been going on?

MR, STROBEL: About seven years,

MR, LAUNE: I guess ten years I've

been --

MR, STROBEL: Six and a half years,

MR, LAUNE: I'm on city water, and you

know, I like that, but the thing is that bugs me is when we

started out, we -- we paid the rate that everybody else

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paid. And then since I'm outside the city limits, now the

city has raised that rate 50 percent, or I'm paying time

and a half on my water rate since I live outside the -- and

I don't get -- you know, there's no reimbursement to me for

that.

So it's kind of like the well deal there,

you know, but I don't know how that come about that I ended

up -- I think everybody outside the city limits pays time

and a half, I think. The three people or two people or

whatever you guys got on the city water, I don't know what

-- how many's out of the city limits, but --

That -- that's -- that was -- that solved my

problem. All right. At that time, they acted like if I

keep drinking the water, I was going to turn green. But I

don't know. That's -- so we -- we listened to that and

made that change.

What were you going to ask?

MR. HOEFER: No, what I was -- the

purpose of the discussion is to talk about the alternative

that's being proposed here and whether that's a good

alternative and to get feedback on that.

Keith, your comment goes to the cost of

putting an additional well in or one of these compliant

wells --

MR. STROBEL: That's what I'm going to

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run into one of these days.

MR. HOEFER: So are you saying that you

-- you -•

MR. STROBEL: Well, I don't know.

MR. HOEFER: -- don't like this remedy

because --

MR. STROBEL: I don't know enough yet.

If Kent -- maybe if Kent stands up, maybe he would talk me

into being for it.

MR. VEDDER: Okay. I'm Kent Vedder.

V-E-D-D-E-R. And well, I did submit a public comment by

e-mail already, and I'd like to go over it just so it

addresses what you're saying.

In the proposed plan, whole-house water

treatment units are to be used for long-term solution in 9

of the 13 options, and used in interim in 3 of the 13

options.

It was my understanding, and also the

understanding of the residents that have whole-house

filtration now, that it was temporary until the studies and

the proposed plan was completed and the proposed plan would

address options other than whole- house filtration.

I actually even got an e-mail from EPA that

was addressed to David Hoefer, Susan Fullerson, Don

Schumacher, Kirk Osman, Keith Sturgis with DNR and myself.

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And it says -- it stated, "It is in the interest of all

parties to look at long-term and no longer consider

whole-house filtration option as a best alternative."

We have never been informed of anything

different than this, and have been told repeatedly that

this is a temporary solution to the problem.

Also the proposed plan states that the

Alternative 2b, 2d and 3b would provide a permanent

alternative water supply; however, the absence of agreement

to extend the water supply to the unincorporated is south

of New Haven renders those options unavailable --or

renders those unavailable.

Also one thing I'd like to add to that is

all your other treatment in the proposed -- in all the

other proposed plans is on city property. I am unaware of

any agreement you had with the city to drill these wells

and do the treatment on their property.

At least, if you do, I'm unaware. And if

you have to have an agreement prior to selecting a remedy,

you should throw all these out because you don't have an

agreement for any of them.

Also I stated that, you know, there are

other options besides the public --or there's other

options for a permanent water supply other than using the

City of New Haven's water that was discussed prior to -- I

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know we had Greseheimer and Slottic in there we were

talking about even a water district to put a well in, but

none of those have been addressed, or even putting a meter

on the city line and setting up a water district and paying

that way.

That hasn't been addressed. Pretty much

we've been total uninformed on this whole process, and it

seems to me like they're just trying to push it through and

get what they want and not what the community wants.

MR. STROBEL: Do you have to take off

ever so often from work and be there till they come and

change your filters and whatever?

MR. VEDDER: I've been off work many a

times, and you know I get there and while they do testing

every night, but usually that's after hours. But when

filters are changed out or whatever, yeah.

Like I said, I think this is should be taken

out of the proposed plan as far as I'm concerned, about

whole-house filtration. I don't think it should even be an

alternative. I'm sure there's other options available, but

that they're not even considered in the proposed plan,

I would like to see the proposed plan

addressing all alternates and state any of the above

additional alternatives that's not mentioned.

And then also I did address, you know, is

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there going to be some compensation for developers in the

future about their wells, or if we sell our house because

we are under a well advisory. It is a recorded document,

and if you get a title search, it's going to come up. I'm

sure you're going to take a cut on the price of your house

if you ever try to sell or if you try to develop and put a

well in.

And I think that needs to be addressed in

the proposed plan also.

MR. HOEFER: Okay, Basically it's my

understanding that all of those elements that you are

concerned about, all of the different ways of providing

water had been considered. And basically what we have --

we are limited by our opportunities here,

I mean, we have the existing groundwater

that can be used. Yes, you do have to follow state

regulations in how you put a well in. Yes, there's going

to be additional cost. Do you have recourse for that? I

think you probably have legal recourse for that,

We're not here to give you a legal

opportunity to recover your costs.

MR, STROBEL: Not without money, you

don't.

MR, HOEFER: We're here to protect

human health and the environment.

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MR, STROBEL: No, you don't. No,

there's no legal recourse unless you've got a pocket full

of cash. You ain't going to do that without money,

MR, HOEFER: I can't speak to that, I

don't represent you,

MR, STROBEL: Well, I can speak to it

because I don't have no money, and I'm telling you you

don't have no recourse if you don't have no money.

MR. HOEFER: So we've got the existing

groundwater. We've got the city water. We can't compel

the city to provide water outside the city,

MR, STROBEL: It ain't their fault.

MR. HOEFER: What's that?

MR. STROBEL: It ain't the city's

fault.

MR. HOEFER: We're not saying it is the

city's fault, but our options are limited by what we have

available to us. We have the existing groundwater. We can

use that. You can use that. Is it going to cost more?

Yes, it's going to cost more.

Can you have special recourse? Yes, we

think you do. I'm not going to comment on whether you

actually do, whether you think you can prevail in that

lawsuit, whether you can afford that, I don't know.

There's a lot of plaintiff's attorneys out there who, you

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know, work on a contingency basis.

That's up to you. That's not EPA's concern

frankly. I mean, that's not what we're here for. We're

here to protect human health and the environment. So

you've got the existing groundwater that can be used.

You've got the city water. The city has no obligation to

provide water outside of the city limits.

We cannot legally compel them to do that.

So we're limited on that. Well water might be an option.

We have -- we can talk about that, We think -- I think

Jeff has somebody here from the Rural Water District

Association that can discuss that.

We're happy to talk about that, and see if

that's a viable alternative. When we considered this, it

didn't appear to be a viable alternative,

I'm sorry, Kent?

MR. VEDDER: I was going to say you

were talking about the city not -- you mentioned that a

water district with a rural well is an option that's not

addressed.

Also I guess my comment is when I was --

we've been told since day one when these filters went in

they was a temporary solution, I mean, I got an e-mail

stating that -- that was addressed to all you guys, stating

that this was a temporary solution.

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MR, HOEFER: Yeah, Kent, I don't know

who that e-mail is from, but I accept that you got it.

MR. VEDDER: I can pull the exact

e-mail and send you the whole e-mail,

MR, HOEFER: Okay,

MR, VEDDER: I mean, it was addressed

to you,

MR, HOEFER: I think it was our hope

that this would be a temporary solution,

MR, FIELD: Yeah, our conversation the

other day on the phone --

MR. VEDDER: And I mean, Jeff keeps

telling me every question I ask is that's before I was

involved in it, I don't care, I'm a project manager also,

and if I don't know what was going on with the job prior to

me, I'd be the one in trouble,

MR, FIELD: I also indicated that I

thought the filtration system was a short-term remedy, not

a long-term remedy,

MR, VEDDER: And but that's part --

that's what you're selecting for your proposed plan,

MR, FIELD: Because it's a component of

the order that's existing now. So that wouldn't stop

because a remedy that we're prefer is going in place. That

has to continue so you're not at risk of drinking

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contaminated water.

MR. VEDDER: Now, this is to continue

until the permanent solution is put in place?

MR. FIELD: That's right.

MR. VEDDER: And there's nothing in

your proposed plan for a permanent solution.

MR. FIELD: As Dave alluded to, we're

very limited on our alternatives regarding a permanent

solution.

MR. HOEFER: But, Kent, the permanent

solution --

MR. VEDDER: You know we tried to work

with -- deal with the city. They actually got a

professional facilitator, but once that got too close, the

project manager and the professional facilitator were

pushed off the job because they were trying to work for the

public instead of for Kellwood.

MR. STROBEL: Yeah, whatever happened

to Doug Sarno?

MR. VEDDER: He got dismissed.

MR. HOEFER: I was not involved with

that project. So --

MR. STROBEL: All right. We're moving

along. We got the well.

MR. HOEFER: Let's talk about what's

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feasible. So we've got the groundwater, we've got the city

water, we've got -- you want to talk about a rural water

district, do you want to --

MR. STROBEL: (Inaudible.)

MR. HOEFER: Yeah, I think there's some

screening out of alternatives that occur early on in the

process when the engineers sit down, and so --

MR. FIELD: I asked the representative

from the Missouri District Company to speak on or to

provide you guys information on the possibility of a rural

water district. If you want to --

MR. BALMER: Yeah. I have 30 copies.

MR. FIELD: Could you go ahead and

state your name for the court reporter.

MR. BALMER: Oh, okay. Jim Balmer.

B-A-L-M-E-R. Circuit rider with Missouri Rural Water

Association.

Jeff had contacted me, and on our website,

moruralwater.org, we have a regulatory research where you

can drop down. And it comes up to the Chapter 247,

Missouri Revised Statutes.

I printed off formation of public water

supply district procedures. It's about a nine step to get

it to the circuit court clerk, and it's good reading. It

really explains what needs to be done, what needs to be

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formed, what you have to do. Who you will probably have to

hire in order to get the project underway.

And it's still up to the circuit court clerk

whether they grant it or not. I'd like to hand these out

to the property owners, the people who --

MR. STROBEL: While you're handing to

everybody, why don't you just give Kellwood one. It's

their mess. I mean, why don't they take it through the

nine steps. Are you telling us that's what we got to do?

MR. FIELD: This is an alternative

that's out there.

MR. STROBEL: So let me -- oh, he's

handing them out. So I got a house and I got a well, and

there's no contamination in it. Real good chance it's

right outside in my pipe, but if it's grouted right and

everything, it's just right there, but it's not coming in.

And say they blast up on the hill up here

less than a mile -- well, about a mile away or say the New

Madrid fault, we have an earthquake and the ground shifts.

Now, is somebody going to come out there and check all them

wells shortly after that?

And say they do come out and check them all,

and then they say well, you need a whole-house filtration

system. So take me through how that unfolds, somebody,

please.

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Do I got to go back down to St. Louis to

Bryan Cave, and start all over again, or is it -- how's

that work?

MR. FIELD: I can't --

MR, STROBEL: Well, it's the lifetime

I'm going to have to live. I would like to know how it's

all going to work,

MR. FIELD: That's a hypothetical I

can't address.

MR. STROBEL: So if I need -- if I need

a whole-house filtration system out there, I -- you can't

help me?

MR. FIELD: Yeah, we'll hook you up

one,

do?

MR, STROBEL: Well, what have I got to

MR, FIELD: We'll contact Kellwood --

MR. HOEFER: We have an agreement in

place with Kellwood that if their contamination -- if

contamination from their former facility is affecting

anybody like Wildcat Creek Estates. Those people have been

affected so far. That -- that's not limited to Wildcat

Creek Estates. So if somebody else is affected by the

contamination, currently they have a legal obligation to

provide whole-house filtration.

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I think they have -- they've done some well

work before with people. I mean, but in the past they have

-- they have done that work, and we have an agreiement with

them, and I think they'll continue.

They have legal obligations. We have

avenues if they don't do that work. So I have every

expectation that they will. So you do have an opportunity

there to get somebody to provide you with whole-house or --

MR, STROBEL: I would call you guys?

MR, HOEFER: Yeah, if -- well, if we

find out that that well is contaminated, yes. We will --

MR, STROBEL: Who's doing the testing?

Periodic testing or event testing, you know, what I mean.

If we had an earthquake or something, surely you're going

to send somebody out to check everybody's well?

MR. FIELD: Yeah, Absolutely, It

would be tested, we would test it,

MR, STROBEL: And then if it shows up

positive, do I need to take over from there, or will you

automatically get with Kellwood and get me fixed up, get me

a bag of charcoal?

MR, FIELD: We have an agreement in

place, like Dave said, already. So it's just a matter of

going out there and testing to verify that that section is

at viable health risk levels. And if so, we have all the

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expectations Kellwood will respond according to the order

that we have in place with them now,

MR, HOEFER: We have been doing this

for years with Kellwood under this agreement. This

agreement I think has been in effect since 2003, 2004,

somewhere,

MR, GORDAY: 2002,

MR, FIELD: 2002,

MR, HOEFER: 2002, SO we've got eight

years of experience with them, and we have not had an issue

like this, I mean, basically if any house is shown to have

contamination above levels of MCLs that we consider to be

unsafe, we have contacted them and provided them with the

data, the information. They've gone out there, and they

put whole-house, or they've otherwise attended to it.

Again, they have a legal obligation under

this agreement. There are penalties that apply if they

don't, and we fully expect that they would perform. That's

been the history,

MR, STROBEL: Sounds like almost

they're the good guys in this deal,

I got a feeling if somebody is going to live

happily every after, that it's going to be Kellwood, and I

don't think it's going to be the people out there in 0U6,

MR, HOEFER: It's out goal for

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everybody to live happily ever after too.

MR. STROBEL: Yeah,

MR. HOEFER: And we're doing our best

to try accomplish that.

MR, STROBEL: I don't agree with that

one damn bit, I think you're laying down for Kellwood,

That's my personal opinion, you know, I just don't see it,

I don't -- well, like I say, I know you guys probably want

a filtration system in your basement, but I really don't,

you know. You might already have one. You might have

bought a house with one in it.

MR, HOEFER: Again, we are limited. We

have certain alternatives that are available to us.

Whole-house filtration is relatively inexpensive. It

works. You know, it's tried and true. We know it -- some

of the other options, again, we cannot compel the city to

provide water.

Rural Water District might it be an option?

One of the considerations that we are required by law to

follow is cost. If it's -- and I don't know the cost. I

can't speak to that. This gentleman handed out information

that will, you know, inform that decision,

Kent?

MR. VEDDER: You just said cost.

What's the option of having a mixed funding site and a

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superfund site? It seems like EPA could pick up some of

the costs under the superfund,

MR, HOEFER: The only time we do mixed

-- so-called mixed funding settlements, mixed funding

agreements, is typically when we have a recalcitrant viable

party who we can sue to recover the fund share. And so

basically what we need is we need somebody -- say if there

was somebody else who contributed to the contamination who

is -- who is not participating, we will kick in fund money

typically.

I've got a couple of those sites in

Missouri, I've looked on those sites, but we need to

recover the fund share. We need to recover the taxpayer

dollars essentially.

So here I'm not aware of any other viable

recalcitrant responsible parties who we can recover the

fund share from,

MR. VEDDER: Well, I'm just saying if

there's cost --to get a whole say a water system in,

either Rural Water District or whatever, if it's not

feasible under your plan for Kellwood to pay for that, why

can't the superfund make up the difference?

MR. HOEFER: Well, one of the reasons

is the superfund is no longer being replinished by -- by

revenue, by tax revenue, and so we are very limited on what

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we can do with the superfund in terms of so-called fund

lead actions, actions that are paid for by the superfund.

We typically look for opportunities where we

have a viable party who will pay for it, because frankly,

the superfund just doesn't have that much money anymore.

And then when we do consider, and what we do is we look at

risk. And when we have various sites that are being

proposed for funding by the superfund, it has to go with

-- through what's known as a priority panel. And that's a

group of EPA engineers and scientists who look at it and

they look what are the risks posed by this contamination,

and they rank the sites based on that, and they're funded

on that basis.

In this instance, we have whole- house

filtration, which is working. Which we know works. So to

spend, you know, on the magnitude more money for a

different remedy, it doesn't -- it's not from the

taxpayer's perspective, it just doesn't make sense.

MR. VEDDER: Well, let me ask you.

Would you accept whole-house filtration in your house if

you were in the same situation?

MR. HOEFER: I don't -- I think with

the whole-house filtration, it would probably give me

cleaner water than what I -- no offense to the city, but I

mean --

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MR. LAUNE: I question it was if you

lived out there and you wanted to build a new home or you

sold, like myself, got around a hundred acres and I want to

sell some of that. Some day it will be sold because I'm --

I'll pass on, and then my children -- and you want to sell

it and put -- it's choice property for that.

And say we sell it to you, and you come in

there and you're confronted with this problem. Are you

just going to accept the fact that you've got to spend a

whole lot more money for a well, and nobody's going to

reimburse you?

MR. HOEFER: I guess right now the

experience has been that Kellwood has paid that, and with

regard to if I had a house out there, right now everybody

who has a house in the area of contamination, Kellwood is

providing the whole-house filtration devices.

And so, you know, I understand that it is a

hassle. I understand that there's, you know, time

involved. That if people have to go in there and sample

that water periodically and change out those filters, I

understand that.

MR. LAUNE: Yeah, but you really didn't

really answer my question there about, you know --

MR. HOEFER: I may have lost track.

I'm sorry.

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MR. LAUNE: Well, if I was -- if I sold

a lot, you know, and then a person wanted to build a house

out there. Well, right now, nobody's going to want to do

that, but say for development and you'd have to say well,

you know, this well's going to cost you another -- I have

no idea how much more the wells cost. Let's just say 40,

50 percent more than a standard well.

Why, they're going to say to hell with you,

and they're on down the road, you know.

MR. HOEFER: That's possible. I

understand that. I will say again though that to date what

I have seen happen is I have seen Kellwood --

MR. LAUNE: Yeah, but I'd have to have

an additional well before they're going to put a filtration

system in.

MR. HOEFER: I'm sorry,

MR, LAUNE: I'd have to have -- the

well would have to be there --

MR, HOEFER: Well, you'd have to put a

well in anyway. If you're going to have a house, you would

have a well anyway,

MR. LAUNE: Well, no, I'm saying a

brand new home. Somebody, you know --

MR. HOEFER: Uh-huh.

MR. LAUNE: So I'd have to -- I'd have

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to put the well in, and

filtration system

for the well --

state regulations

you would put the

regardless.

but it's going to

then I'

anyway, and I

MR.

MR.

about

MR,

well

MR,

cost

MR,

that so far what we've

-- that difference. So

well --

home did they pay

MR,

that?

MR.

MR.

MR.

MR.

MR.

a couple of occasions.

that. So if --

MR.

HOEFER:

LAUNE:

how to

HOEFER:

in. You

LAUNE:

a whole

HOEFER:

seen is

if you

LAUNE:

Which

KEIFER:

LAUNE:

KEIFER:

LAUNE:

HOEFER:

but they

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d have to call for the

'd have to pay additional

But what I'm saying --

-- because I have to meet

dig the well.

What I'm saying is that

'd have to have a well

Well, I understand that.

hell of a lot more.

Well, what I'm saying is

we've seen Kellwood pay that

have to pay $4,000 for a

I want to know on whose

--

Several of them.

Huh?

Several of them they did.

Well, you know.

I think they've done it on

''ve paid -- they've paid

They paid that.

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MR. HOEFER: So if you say if it cost

you $4,000 to put a well in, and it's going to cost you

20,000, so far what I have seen is I've seen them paid

that. And I'm not saying that they're committed

necessarily. I mean, they're not spending it in the

agreement we have with them right now. They have paid that

incremental cost. And then you don't need filtration.

MR. STROBEL: Before you pump up

Kellwood's chest too much, Kellwood ain't paid on damn dime

they paid didn't know they had to pay.

MR. HOEFER: Well, I --

MR. STROBEL: If they did, what is

there? Where did they spill money?

MR. HOEFER: I'm sorry. Where did

they?

MR. STROBEL: Where did they spend more

money than they had to?

MR. HOEFER: I'm --

MR. STROBEL: You know, you're up there

standing up there acting like well, Kellwood, man, they're

Santy Claus. Just help yourself. Well, they ain't.

If they -- if they know they ain't going to

-- if they know they're going to --

MR. HOEFER: I can't speak for Kellwood

and I'm not --

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MR. STROBEL:

MR. HOEFER:

MR. STROBEL:

say Kellwood's --

MR. HOEFER:

MR. STROBEL:

Kellwood --

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Well, then don't try.

I'm not --

Don't stand up there and

I can tell you --

-- great because

I can only tell you --

and Mr, Hoefer speaking

I can only tell you under the legal

agreements what they're required

done what they're required to do

MR, POPLAWSKI

represent Kellwood. And the last

spell. It's P-O-P-L-A-W-S-K-I.

Keith, good to see

MR. STROBEL:

MR. POPLAWSKI

yet to see you come to me or any

to do and that they have

legally.

: Steve Poplawski, and I

name, I know it's hard to

you again.

Howdy, how you doing?

: I'm doing fine, I've

representative of Kellwood

with a specific proposal from you that you want us to

consider regarding the installation of a well.

MR, STROBEL:

MR, POPLAWSKI

because they let you go on for a

Not a well,

Can I finish, please.

while here. So let me

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finish.

If you want to do that, we'll consider it.

Now, right now, I understand your property is east of

Highway C, correct? Yes?

MR, STROBEL: Yes.

MR. POPLAWSKI: And as far as I know, I

know you're on the well advisory, but our contamination

isn't over there. So that's an issue for us.

Now, we have with Mrs, Benson's well, and

Bert -- Barkley well we've paid the differential that

David's talked about. When the high school was putting in

a new water line, EPA said to us be better if they put in a

different type of pipe that's going to cost more. Kellwood

paid for that.

There was no order requiring us to do it,

There was no order requiring us to do anything but Mrs.

Benson's well. Those are just examples of situations where

Kellwood has spent money that we were not ordered to spend.

We had been ordered to spend the money on the whole-house

filtration. In fact, the first whole-house filtration that

we actually put in, there was no order in place.

I can remember being on Thanksgiving

vacation and getting the call from Keith Gripps'

predecessor, Tom Polihan, and Tom Polihan saying I've got

this issue. EPA is calling me. This was Friday after

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Thanksgiving. We had a consultant out there installing

systems the following Monday.

The company cares about this, and I'd ask

the people who reviewed the FS and the RI to look at the

cost. The proposed remedy that EPA is picking, this was

not our preferred alternative. This is theirs, and it's

over $5 million.

The company has already spent millions of

dollars to conduct the investigation, and we're not

complaining. We're just laying out some facts. Okay. And

so I realize the frustration that Kent had, and I'll just

-- and other people have had because your expectations are

different from what the proposed plan is.

We're going to go forward and work with EPA,

We may file comments, we may not, on what EPA has put

forward just like you're free to do here. We're available

after this meeting, you know, and Jeff closes the record,

to talk to folks if they want to talk about the issues or

concerns that they have,

Whether we can address them or not, I don't

know, I will say we're continuing to negotiate with the

city. Whether that will work out or not, I don't know. We

haven't gotten there yet, but just the fact that these guys

issued their proposal doesn't mean that we've stopped those

negotiations,

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So that's my response.

MR, STROBEL: Well, then my response to

that is I don't think you would have paid any of them -- I

don't think you wanted to lose in court to that other. I

don't think you wanted to lose in court to any of them.

Otherwise, you wouldn't have -- you wouldn't have paid it.

That's my opinion,

So back to what I said, I don't think that

you spent one dime that you didn't have -- that you knew it

was pertinent to spend as opposed to going forth with the

alternative,

MR, FIELD: Anybody else, comments,

suggestions?

MR, LAUNE: I do have another question.

I asked Jeff this question before.

On your outline on the internet, and I don't

know if you have to follow this or not, after your

feasibility study, you have the public comment. Then you

have proposed plan and public comment.

My question to him was why didn't we have

the public comment prior to the proposed plan ever being

developed so our comments could be heard prior to the

finaiization of the proposed plan.

He told me that wasn't followed in any of

the other operable units, which I know for a fact that it

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was followed in OUl because I have the feasibility study.

I have all the information, I commented on it prior to the

proposed plan coming out. It's just I wanted to get some

more information prior to the proposed plan and have

comments before the proposed plan was finished.

I don't know if you can or if it's a

possibility to go back and look at any of these other

options that we've talked about and add to the proposed

plan or not. But if you -- are you set with the proposed

plan that's in place?

MR. HOEFER: No, that's the purpose of

this meeting. I mean, really we want to come up with a

good solution here. That's our goal. That's been our goal

from day one.

Can we come up with the best possible

solution in the world? Probably not. I mean, are we going

to make everybody happy? Probably not, We're going to do

our best job on this.

We've been doing this a long time, I think

we know, you know, how to do this properly. We're trying

to do that, but you know, a component of this is the public

comment opportunity. It's the opportunity for you all to

give, you know, input into this process. That's required

by law.

We want that. We want something that

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satisfies the people. Again, is it going to be the very

optimal solution? Probably not. It's probably not going

to make everybody happy. Is it going to be legally what we

are required to do? Absolutely it will be.

As to public comment, I've been doing this

over 20 years. I have not seen instances where we give a

public comment opportunities before the feasibility study,

MR, LAUNE: We did that on OUl,

MR, HOEFER: We basically -- and that

was one of my had voiced that, so I'm sure and I trusted

that that's correct, I'm sure that I attended that. And

I'm going to poll Dianna Whitaker. Dianna Whitaker is our

community involvement person. She's our expert on -- I

know we are required by law to have a public availability

session or a meeting like this once the proposed plan goes

out.

I think we can go beyond that and provide

additional meetings, but that is atypical in my experience,

MR, LAUNE: I'm just asking do you have

to follow what's posted on your website?

MR, HOEFER: I don't know what's posted

on the website.

MR. LAUNE: I've got a copy of it right

here.

MS, WHITAKER: Well, people can comment

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all along the process. We don't need to have a meeting.

MR, STROBEL: Well, that's the problem.

We didn't have any meetings.

(Multiple persons speaking

simultaneously.)

MS. WHITAKER: Well, we've been down

here for other operable units, and even some people can

come to those meetings and --

MR. STROBEL: And then when they come

for the other operable unit, they say we have to stick to

the plan we're discussing.

MR, FIELD: Unfortunately, that's not

our website. That's the website that the USGS does for us,

and that's an error. We don't follow that. We follow our

guidelines.

MR, HOEFER: Well, Kent, you've been --

I know you've been talking to Jeff, you know, sending

e-mails and so forth over the last couple of -- and so I --

I mean, we'll always available. I know you've been talking

to him about some of these issues,

I mean, we're always available. We're

required by law to do certain things, and we do those

things. If you want to have additional conversations,

you're always free to do that, I mean, you don't have to

wait for a public meeting to do that. I mean, you know.

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you have --


simultaneously.)

MR, FIELD: All the responses I

received, I responded back. Nothing wrong with that.

That's fine. We can continue to do that, I've done it

with Steve.

MR, LAUNE: I was kind of asking for a

public meeting prior to the proposed plan, but you said

that's what you didn't -- you never followed this in the

past,

MR, FIELD: Well, I'll have to dig that

e-mail out because I'm not sure that that's exactly what's

-- and again, that's -- there's an error on that website.

That's not -- that's correct,

MR, HOEFER: Kent, if you want to

submit comments, and that's the purpose of this. If you

want to submit comments into the record on this and what

we're doing, that's -- that's the whole point of this, you

know, to provide that.

And particularly, you know, you've talked

about the Rural Water District. If you can study what has

been provided to you all to see if that's an option that

you think is appropriate, you know, it has to -- frankly it

has to fit into our criteria.

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If it's extraordinarily expensive, we're not

going to compel that. We're going to go with something

that's protective, that meets ARARs, et cetera, and the

cost of development that we're required to consider.

MR. LAUNE: We've talked about these

options before, and nobody has told us that these options

were off the table. I'm just saying why aren't they in the

feasibility study or in the proposed plan as an option.

MR. FIELD: All the alternatives that

are in the feasibility study have to do with protecting

human health and the environment.

MR. LAUNE: Well, I'm just saying why

isn't our comments addressed anywhere on what we'd like to

do?

MR. FIELD: Well, we just opened the

public comment period.

MR. LAUNE: I mean before that when we

were talking about all these other ideas and --

MR. FIELD: Well, if they weren't

relative or substantive to that remedy, they wouldn't be

put into the Responsiveness Summary. That's why these are

specific operable units in the proposed plan. Choose

alternative specific to that operable unit. So all these

comments that we're receiving now, and hopefully more as

they come in, will be responded to appropriately in the

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Responsiveness Summary for this proposed plan.

MR. HOEFER: And, Kent, I don't get

that because I'm a lawyer, I don't need to be there, I

don't do the technical work, but I guess I didn't know you

had comments on this until last week when you started

sending us e-mails.

So you know, if you make -- if you make your

comments known, we'll consider them, Keith?

MR, STROBLE: I think probably the

reason nobody has any comments prior to this the last

couple of weeks was for the last five and a half, six

years, all that was batted around was the public waters to

the point where Kent was promised public water in less than

a year right in front of the high school. And I was

standing right next to him, and said don't worry. We'll

have you public water in less than a year.

You know, there was never in the last five

and half years did anybody talk about whole-house

filtration system. So everybody involved is all thinking

well, sooner or later they're going to run us some water.

They're dragging their feet, but sooner or later they're

going to work it out with the city or put something up and

get us some water.

Now, the first time I heard anything about

whole-house filtration system was in the paper the other

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day when I read it. So to say that nobody voiced their --

nobody voiced their concerns is because I guess the whole

smoke screen public water gig was keeping us kind of

occupied with that until all of a sudden, bamo.

MR, HOEFER: You know, I think we were

hoping with the public water some type of accommodation of

that sort would work out,

MR, STROBEL: Well, you was hopeful.

Grab them by the ear and tell them. What do you mean

hopeful? What are you hoping that they're going to all of

a sudden wake up one morning and feel all magnanimous and

say oh, let's just give them water.

MR, HOEFER: No, we -- again, we cannot

compel. We cannot legally compel public water to be

provided down there,

MR, STROBEL: But you can --

MR, HOEFER: In terms of city --

municipal water being extended down there, we can't compel

that.

MR, STROBEL: But you can tell us to

put a filter in?

MR, HOEFER: No, we -- no, if -- we can

tell --

MR, STROBEL: We didn't screw it up.

Kellwood screwed it up.

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simultaneously,)

MR, HOEFER: We can tell Kellwood at

this point to put a filter in,

MR, STROBEL: But Kellwood is the ones

that screwed it up. I said how in the world do you want to

come to us and tell us, the ones that got screwed, hey,

we're going to hit you one more time on this. Put a filter

in.

There ain't nobody out there wants a filter.

Well, there might be, but I don't want no filter. I don't

want to sell a house with a filter, and I don't want to buy

a house with a filter. And I don't think any of you want

to buy a house with a filter, you know.

MR. HOEFER: Is your property

contaminated now? Is it --

MR. STROBEL: It's contaminated. In

fact, that little thing that says well area or whatever

that's all the contamination we need. It don't -- you

know,

MR. HOEFER: You're part of Area 3?

MR. STROBEL: Of 6, probably the most

land in 6.

MR. FIELD: Well, Evan can correct me

if I'm wrong, but I think there's an opportunity through

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the Missouri legislature to amend the boundaries of special

Area 3.

MR. KEIFER: Well --

MR. STROBEL: Well, somebody take care

of that for me then, or is that another one of them you go

do it deals?

MR. FIELD: I mean, that's an option

that can be explored and can be taken care of.

MR. KEIFER: My name is Evan Kifer. The

well regulations, I mean that area designated was

designated because at the time that they were promulgating

those regulations were and put into the rule that was the

area of understanding of where things were at.

That could be adjusted at some point down

the road. We will ultimately probably be adjusting for

other reasons in the rule in other parcels.

MR. STROBEL: You ain't going to

eliminate that.

MR. KEIFER: Well, I didn't say

eliminate.

MR, STROBEL: I know, but --

MR, KEIFER: The only way the area

would be adjusted would be if there's no contamination

there. That would be grounds maybe to reconsider the

boundaries as they stand. But otherwise, that's what

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you're looking at.

Now, the question for you, you keep talking

about a well. What kind of a well are you talking about?

MR. STROBEL: Well, if I want --

MR. KEIFER: Are you talking about --

MR. STROBEL: If I want to bust up

three acres and build a house down there --

MR. KEIFER: So you're talking single

family?

MR. STROBEL: Residential well.

MR. KEIFER: Okay. I wanted to make

sure because those -- these rules apply to a single family

well.

MR, STROBEL: Well, I'm not -- you're

not going to let me dig a big well right next to --

MR, KEIFER: A multiple family well --

MR, STROBEL: -- New Haven,

MR, KEIFER: But beyond that, if you

were to need to serve more than 25 people --

MR, STROBEL: You're not going to let

me do it. You're going to make me hook to the city of New

Haven, most likely.

MR. KEIFER: But then you would need to

go to a public supply well.

MR. STROBEL: Right, right. I

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understand that, but I mean --

MS. HOLT: My name's Ann Holt. A-N-N

H-O-L-T.

I'd like to ask you how long would that be

available, how soon could that happen? I live 20 feet from

-- my house is 20 foot from this line. They checked me one

time in all these years, said don't have a problem. All of

sudden when they make the guidelines we're included in it.

My house was built in 1909. I don't own

that well. We bought it, and the farmer doesn't use it

except -- but he owns that well, you know. So I would like

to have my own well, obviously, you know, for reasons down

the road.

Will those move soon? Will -- you know, how

do we go about starting that process? Do I ask someone?

MR, KEIFER: Those rules could be

changed basically if somebody, it could be me, it could be

Jeff, it could be Kellwood, approach staff for the well

installation board and make that recommendation.

But we would have to have good reasons,

Basically we would have to have documentation that this

area is clean, and that needs to be included.

If it's part of the contaminated area, if

there's wells nearby that are contaminated, then there's a

chance that your well could become contaminated. So you

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would need that additional protection by -- by making your

well to greater standards.

Because essentially what they're doing is

trying to keep that contamination from spreading, because I

wanted to address this because I've been keeping my tongue

here for a while. But the whole-house filtration system,

although you're very much against it, one thing to keep in

mind the whole reason that this contamination is affecting

your well, it's affecting some of the other ones that have

contamination because the original well in there did not

have enough casing in it to keep that contamination, which

is at a shallow level, from going deeper.

So my recommendation as a geologist and as

someone who's dealt with wells for a long time is, even

though you've basically need to keep those filtration

systems in place until the levels go down. Whether it be

through use directly in your home or whether it be through

units used maybe for other purposes, I would still

recommend that you continue, because essentially you're

reversing the process of that caused that plume around your

well.

It looks like it was your well that was the

one that started that contamination in your area because

your well casing was not sealed properly when constructed.

So therefore, the fact that your well and the neighbor's

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well, you've got a plume now that you're essentially

remediating by continuing to use that treatment.

Now, your well happens the levels are low

enough that you're almost down to the MCL there, basically

the level that's considered protective. Once it gets down

below that, you may be in a position to offer to be able to

remove that system, but I'm sure that's going to be a

little ways down the road yet.

But now, if the other wells are

contaminated, the levels are considered to be higher, if

you leave it in the ground, you've got this plume that's

stuck down there, and that -- that deeper stuff is often

going to go on towards the Missouri River. You don't want

to impact city wells. Of course, I wouldn't want to put

them in -- at risk of a problem because you've got a plume

there that's not being taken care of.

So by using those wells that are

contaminated, you're reversing that process. So had the

well not been there, there wouldn't have been a plume there

to begin with anyways.

Basically this investigation has just gotten

completed, you know. We're still working through the

process. Once we get done with what we're doing here, then

it will be the time to take the data and see if there is a

reason to adjust the boundaries.

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MS, HOLT: What time line do you think

that be? A year, years?

MR, KEIFER: Well, the process itself.

once they decide to move forward, takes about a year and a

half to -- to make changes like that. Again, someone would

have to go before the well installation board and basically

make a recommendation based upon data we have at hand that

those boundaries can be altered.

That's something reason -- that should

reasonably be looked at,

MS, HOLT: Well, do they check them

again? We've been checked once in this whole time. They

checked one time, and they couldn't find --

MR, KEIFER: You mean the well was

tested?

MS, HOLT: One time.

MR. KEIFER: Now, the folks that deal

with the regulations aren't the ones. Tell it to the ones

that are going to test the well, and they're -- according

to the proposed --

MS. HOLT: Well, I need to get them

back to test.

MR, KEIFER: Well, according to the

proposed plan, they're planning on continuing to do that

testing, you know.

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MR. POPLAWSKI: We -- I mean, we have

some upcoming tests. If you can let us know, --

MS. HOLT: Okay.

MR. POPLAWSKI: -- if you can tell us.

MS. HOLT: Okay.

MR. KEIFER: That was part of the plan

to continue to do that testing as we go forward here.

MR, POPLAWSKI: Yeah, because we'd like

to find out that it's still clean,

MS, HOLT: Great. Thank you.

MR. KEIFER: If it's going to be

adjusted, it's going to be based on whether or not it

supports the order.

MR. SCHUMACHER: The regulations as

they stand essentially say that we're going to look at your

site --

MR. KEIFER: Yeah, that's a good point

to make for those of you who didn't hear John.

Basically the regulations as they stand

essentially say that we're going to look at your site. So

in other words, if you want to drill a well, either you or

the driller would have to approach staff in Rolla and say

this is where I want to build a well. How do I do it?

And they're going to set the specs based

upon what they think is appropriate, which is going to be

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based upon the data.

MS. HOLT: Okay. Thank you.

MR. FIELD: Just one comfort level.

All along the western boundary except for two southern,

that's all been cleaned and all the residential homes.

MS. HOLT: But it shouldn't be a

problem, but it still has to be checked out though?

MR, FIELD: Right, And after we're

doing residential sampling to well sampling to include well

monitoring and residential homes. So they'll include your

well in that.

MS. HOLT: Okay.

MR. STROBEL: You say that you're

testing the water in the residential wells to see if the

contamination is in that area?

MR, FIELD: Right,

MR. STROBEL: And Evan and I had a

discussion several years back and about the property along

Highway C, and I said well, how did it get all the way down

to Kent's? I said, well, if it got all the way to Kent's,

surely some of these houses along in through there they

developed would have got it.

I think Evan told me, he said, John -- you

can correct me if I'm wrong, but he said well, the

contamination is probably around most of those other wells.

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but they're constructed in a manner where the contamination

doesn't get inside the well. So it doesn't show up as

contamination inside the wells, but it's -- you're using

that for a finder.

Well, hell, it might be right there on the

other side of that pipe, and you're claiming it ain't

nowhere around,

MR, FIELD: I'm saying if the well is

clean, that's something to be considered when we look at

changing the boundary. If it hasn't got into the well now

through all the years of pumpage and usage, it's safe to

say -- I have a level of comfort saying that it will

continue to be like that.

MR. STROBEL: So Evan was wrong.

There's been water all along Highway C in them rural --

MR. FIELD: There's water -- like I

said, there's four transmissive zones that that PCE has

occurred in.

Now, Evan can address his statement. I'm

not going to speak for Evan,

MR. STROBEL: Okay. Well, all right.

Well, you did discuss wells not in somebody's drinking

water, but just where you poked your own hole and went

down, or they -- how are they going up?

MR. FIELD: Well, Lee's done all the

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monitoring well installation for Parsons and Kellwood, and

he can talk to the occurrences or nonoccurrences of people

he has drilled. You want to --

MR. GORDAY: Well, the figures up on

the wall show the extent --by the way Lee Gorday.

G-0-R-D-A-Y. Sorry.

Show the extent of PCE detection in all the

various wells we've sampled. One of them -- the one right

in front of Jeff there with the four panels shows it by

zone. So the upper left panel is overburden or

unconsolidated material. The upper right panel is upper

most bedrock, and upper the sand marker bed.

The lower left panel is in the Swan Creek,

and the lower right panel is for lower Jeff City. And

basically we know from the sampling, the extent in each of

those levels, and generally we have detected nothing. We

have a monitoring well on the east side of Wildcat Creek

Lane in the upper bedrock. There is no PCE present there.

And that is zone with the most extensive

extent of contamination.

MR. FIELD: So even in the lower Jeff

City with these two here, PS 13 and 14 that I talked about,

the high levels and the get less than 5 or around 5 down

here. Most of the sites are up into the unconsolidated

overburden and up into the upper bedrock in those fairly

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So this was mapped out showing the clean

line and clean area where it's

installations.

MR. LAUNE:

presentation, you were talking

PCE contamination in the creek

shown up in monitoring well

You reeled through your

about you didn't find some

in the branch I guess I

should say behind Wildcat Creek Subdivision?

MR.

MR.

if I'm not mistaken.

MR,

MR,

MR,

MR.

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know the kids play down

in it.

MR.

FIELD:

LAUNE:

FIELD:

KEIFER

LAUNE:

FIELD:

LAUNE:

in it.

FIELD:

Right.

Is that July 16, I believe.

This is the 500 or 600?

: Six hundred.

The 600 you were talking.

Six hundred we're talking.

Is that any health risk? I

the neighbor kids play down

The nature of PCE is that

it has a high vapor pressure, which means when it's exposed

to the air, it goes away very (

in the risk assessment.

pathway or a risk. The

juickly. That was included

and that was not complicating for a

PCE that does occur there doesn't

occur there all the time.

MR. LAUNE: I just know that branch is

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spring-fed.

right around.

MR. FIELD: Right,

MR. LAUNE: And you know, the kids play

MR, FIELD: And that water that comes

up there --

MR, LAUNE: That spring is

contaminated, I didn't know how quick it volatilizes or --

MR, FIELD: It volatizes very quickly.

The thing is when we have a lot of rain or a lot of

precipitation, that overland flow that goes into the ground

feeds down through all those fractures in the bedrock, and

it picks up some of that PCE that's in those upper zones

carries that out to those outcrops,

So again, that was run through the risk

assessment, and that's not like that risk or provides a

hazard ingestion above 1 because it does volatize really

quick.

MR, LAUNE: I do want to make one other

comment. According to Keith's statement, you know, nobody

has really said anything or commented on this exactly

because as far as we knew whole-house filtration wasn't

even going to be an option.

That's probably why you've been getting

e-mails right and left from me on this, and probably get

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more,

MR, FIELD: That's fine.

MR, STROBEL: Shouldn't we survey the

people out there?

MR, LAUNE: Well, that's what I

thought,

MR, STROBEL: Did you give a public

your own water, city water, whole-house filtration.

whatever you've got listed up there, why don't you put that

-- give everybody a survey, and let them rate them one.

two, three, four,

MR. FIELD: That's a good idea.

MR, STROBEL: Or whatever. Or it ain't

that important?

MR, FIELD: Again, it goes into the

putting in of an alternate water supply system that we have

no control over. Those two parties right here control

that.

MR, STROBEL: Who?

MR, FIELD: The city and Kellwood.

MR. STROBEL: The city don't owe us

anything,

MR, FIELD: Well, they have a water

system that could be hooked into.

MR. STROBEL: Could be. So now it's on

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the -- is the city -- the city is in on this is what you're

saying? Steve, are you in on this? Are you working

against us?

No, what's happening here is we're all going

to get -- if we take this route here, slowly but surely

people are going to get sick of, and then we're going to go

to the city and see if they can't work out something

without Kellwood's involved is what -- is where this is

going.

And I guess that's a good thing if -- if you

don't want to pay for it and you would like to see people

pay for it themselves, then it's a wonderful thing. But I

expected more of you. I expected it out of Kellwood, but I

expected better out of the EPA.

MR. FIELD: Well, like Dave mentioned

earlier, our mission in the rules and regs promulgated by

Congress are for us to protect human health and the

environment. That's what those alternatives address.

Get the DNAPL and the dissolved PCE out of

the ground for future use of that groundwater. That's what

we're trying to do, mitigate risks and get rid of the

contamination.

That's what those alternatives revolve

around.

MR. STROBEL: Well, does they got all

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them wells poked in out there come in on that -- what you

just said?

MR. FIELD: They're all -- all the

monitoring wells are continually monitored, and they will

be continued monitoring after the installation of any of

the remedial actions until we're sure that the PCEs

transmissive is declining, that the remedial action that's

put in place is actually working.

MR. STROBEL: We've had the discussion

several times, and I can't pin it on any one person, but

we've had the discussion several times that an ideal

situation was put public water in and plug every ground --

every one of them wells shut to make sure that it doesn't

get into New Haven's water.

Now, that -- that don't fall in there

anywhere in what you're talking about either, the safety

and making it all better?

MR. FIELD: That's a comment you can

provide.

MR. STROBEL: Well, I'm on the record

now, ain't I,

MR. FIELD: We'll respond to it in the

Responsiveness Record.

MR, HOEFER: Keith, by public water, do

you mean the Rural Water District? What are our options?

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Our options are the city -- the city has no obligation.

MR. STROBEL: Still the city even in

good faith, would be a damn good start as opposed to

telling them you're going to work with them or whatever,

and then stab us in the back with a $300,000 bill from

Kellwood's --or Kellwood's dump that when they were done

with it, they said here, city, you can have that. Oh,

yeah, and you might get a bill down the road for

contamination.

MR, HOEFER: With regard to the public

water, what are you referring to, Keith?

MR. STROBEL: Well, either drill a well

or --

MR. HOEFER: You talking about Rural --

the Rural Water District or --

MR. STROBEL: Rural water or else just

work with the city. I'd like to see you work with the city

of New Haven, but with my discussions with the board and

the administrator and those, it don't seem that there's no

fruit come to bear off of when they do get together.

MR. HOEFER: That's my understanding.

It's -- you were given some information on the Rural Water

District. If you want to consider that and provide a

comment based on that information, I mean, I think that

will inform, you know, the comment. You're welcome to do

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that. We encourage that.

If you want to provide a comment regarding

the city, again, you know, the city has not li- -- they

have no responsibility for that. They're not required to

provide water. There's nothing we can do about that. We

can't compel that. You know, we can ask Kellwood to talk

to them, and they have talked to them, and that's as much

as we are able to do.

MR. STROBEL: No, it ain't. You

could --

MR. HOEFER: It is.

MR. STROBEL: No, it ain't. You can

look at Kellwood and say our idea for remedying this mess

is to get rid of all them wells out there, grout them all

full. We don't want it going down to 400 feet and screwing

up New Haven any more than they already done.

MR. HOEFER: I have certain legal

constraints set forth by the superfund statute, and we are

following those requirements, Keith.

MR. STROBEL: Okay.

MR. HOEFER: Absolutely, we are.

MR. LAUNE: So the comments we make

tonight are not part of the public comment? We have --

MR. FIELD: They are. That's why we

have -- that's why we have a court reporter here.

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MR. LAUNE: Okay. Well, I just heard

you say, Keith, if you want to make a public comment, to

submit it. I mean, we've been talking about the public

water district.

MR. HOEFER: I guess what I'm

suggesting is that people read the material given out

because --

MR. LAUNE: I was just making clear

that whatever was said tonight would be --

MR. HOEFER: Everything that is said

here tonight, the e-mails that you sent to us that you

identify as being public comments are all placed in the

record, and will be responded to in the responsiveness

summary when we issue the ROD.

MR. LAUNE: Now, we don't have -- we

don't have any other comments to be made after our comments

have been addressed and you come out with your final plan?

I mean, once you come up with the final plan, is that set?

MR. HOEFER: We're required by law to

consider the comments received by the state and received

from the state and from the community, and we also have the

responsibility to issue a Record of Decision on the

selecting of remedy. And that formally closes the comment

period.

MR. LAUNE: So we don't know if any of

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our comments have been addressed at all until you come up

with the Record of Decision?

MR. HOEFER: Yes. We issue a ROD and

Responsiveness Summary that addresses comments. So until

the ROD is issued, we don't necessarily -- if you want to

continue to talk to Jeff about some of these items and try

to work some of these things through, that's fine. You

know, we're agreeable to doing that. The public comment

period is open until October 4th or so.

You know, we are committed to doing that,

but we have to move forward with the remedy here. So we'll

take into consideration all the comments that are put on

record, and we'll make a decision. I'm sorry.

MR. DUVALL: Tom Duvall. D-U-V-A-L-L.

You guys were talking about the plume a while ago, you

know, and like Kent's house running it through a filtration

system that actually would reverse the process.

Couldn't one of the remedies be that where

we know these plumes are at instead of running into a house

and another filtration system, we can dump it out of the

area to help eliminate that? You talked about his levels

may be dropping at some point to where he can drink that

water again without a filtration system.

It seems to me you're -- you're saying that

there is a possibility that type of filtration system will

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pull enough of the contaminant out to make that water good

again.

MR. KEIFER: How long is the question?

MR. DUVALL: Yeah.

MR. FIELD: It works. We've seen it

work in time.

MR. KEIFER: Right,

MR, DUVALL: Yeah, but why can't that

be part of the remedy I guess is my question. Why does it

have to be through a house that --

MR. KEIFER: You mean the treatment

system?

MR. DUVALL: Yeah.

MR. KEIFER: Yeah, there's other

possible things that are going to affect that, what to do

with the water. My comment is more a matter of with the

treatment system on there, you using the water, you're

actually treating the groundwater plume.

MR. DUVALL: Yeah, I understand.

MR. KEIFER: But you're right. You

could use it for other purposes or for discharging to the

surface in the same.

MR. FIELD: I think you're talking

about placing filtration on a house, maybe putting it on

the well head?

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MR, DUVALL: Yes.

MR. FIELD: Oh, yeah, absolutely, it's

an option.

MR. DUVALL: Maybe in especially like

maybe in the 0U2 case where those wells are sitting out

there and if there is a plume just down there, then pull it

out and tear it out and drain it.

MR. FIELD: That is an option.

However, in the presentation I mentioned a point of

diminishing return in DNAPL recovery and chem ox. I mean

that is an option that probably can work, but for how long

we don't really know how long that will be effective of

that fractured bedrock and everything like that down there.

That is something --

MR. DUVALL: I mean, I have a

filtration system in my house too, probably one of the

first ones. My first concern with that was the health risk

to my kids or the family.

Secondly, the money of course, and I share

the same concerns you guys do, with what's my property

worth. What do we do in the future.

MR. FIELD: You're on the end of Boeuf

Lutheran Road, correct?

MR. DUVALL: Yeah.

MR. FIELD: All right. The expectation

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is that the groundwater remediation in this alternative

will put a line. The two most effective ways to do this is

the dissolved PCE can be treated as it moves southward

toward your area.

MR, DUVALL: I'm right -- I'm just past

the first house south of the Fulton 2.

MR, FIELD: All right. So and that

transmissive well would go just a little bit south of the

industrial area there. And that would go move southward.

With the intent to deal with the dissolved phase unlike

chem ox on the DNAPL site and deal with DNAPL.

So we have DNAPL or pure the dissolved phase

PCE and we have to deal with that. And all the monitoring

wells that we have installed would again monitor the effect

of how many times that can be treated.

But that is a good comment. That should be

included in the responses

Anything else? Yes, ma'am.

MS. STOVER: Patricia Stover. My

questions may seem kind of stupid.

I wondered if a Lang- -- is Langenburg

completely off the charts now? We don't have any

contamination there to be concerned about in the city of

New Haven?

MR. FIELD: The -- there has been a

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remedy put in place at the old

MS. STOVER:

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hat factory.

Yeah, uh-huh.

That you're referring to.

Operable Unit 5. And part of the remedy was to continually

monitor that groundwater that's

hat factory, --

MS, STOVER:

MR. FIELD:

traced all the way up to 0U4,

MS. STOVER:

MR. FIELD:

MS. STOVER:

MR. FIELD:

church.

MS. STOVER:

MR. FIELD:

we believe contributed to that.

monitoring that as it moves off

moving under the -- the old

Facility, yeah.

-- which we now believe is

Okay.

And where is 0U4?

Up at the Main Lane area.

In the main what?

The Maiden Lane up by the

Okay, Uh-huh,

So that's the source that

But we're continually

down towards the Missouri

River, So there's no risk to residents or for vapor

intrusion and things like that

MS, STOVER:

you to say that when the water

difference in the contamination

depending on the water level,

MR, FIELD:

in that area.

Okay, And I understood

level changes, there's

or lack of contamination

Yes, ma'am.

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MS, STOVER: Is that correct?

MR, FIELD: That's a big influence on

the water,

MS, STOVER: And so that would be -- I

live in the city, and that would be for the wells that feed

the city also? Those contaminations or lack of

contaminations would be changed by the amount of

groundwater that seaps down in there? e

MR. FIELD: The wells in the city are

very, very deep wells. The impact that I was describing

earlier, doesn't impact those deep wells,

MS, STOVER: Okay,

MR, FIELD: The point of impact of

contamination in the very shallow level where you have the

infiltration from rain getting in and going through the

overburden into that rock, and that's what we're seeing

coming out in the stream.

The city well 3 and city well 4 --

MS, STOVER: Which are where?

MR, FIELD: One is -- actually one is

on north of 0U2, which is city well 3, and then city well 4

is north of Highway 100 up -- going up towards New Haven,

I'm not sure of the exact location leaking from --

MS, STOVER: Oh,

MR. FIELD: -- exactly where they're

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located.

MS, STOVER:

looking for a map, I can do map

MR,

Drive.

MS,

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MS.

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entire system.

MS,

MR,

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up off of that past the

MS,

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STOVER:

GORDAY:

STOVER:

GORDAY:

STOVER:

FIELD:

GORDAY:

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STOVER:

GORDAY:

STOVER:

STROBEL:

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MS,

the filtration system.

as far as I'm concerned

like to know what the f

the best to use because

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Well 3 is on Industrial

Oh, okay. Yeah, okay.

Well 3 is here.

Yeah, and that feeds what?

Both of them feed the

That's scarry.

Well, they pump different.

And then the other one is

South?

No, north.

Up on Melrose?

Where it only comes out

the maps.)

Okay, Let's see. Oh, in

if I should decide on that, because

, my water is bitter, and I would

iltration system -- what would be

you see all kinds from $19 to two



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I'm talking just for my cup

ds -- my grand kids coming

over for Kool-Aid, which I'm not, you know, I'm not into

this big 15-acre, 40-acres --

MR. FIELD: There's different types of

filtration systems for different things. The different

systems for turbidity or cloudiness or total dissolved

solvents, and then different ones for proving PCE which is

regulated carbon.

MS, STOVER:

MR, FIELD:

you said your water is bitter.

anybody have an ideas on --

MR, GORDAY:

water?

MS. STOVER:

MR, FIELD:

cloudy too, so you don't know.

device to get rid of the --

MR, HOEFER:

Yeah,

Not knowing exactly what --

I don't know actually does

Ma'am, are you on public

Yes,

Right, But it might be

So you want a point of use

Patricia, you should have

no concerns about the contamination that we're talking

about --

MS, STOVER:

MR, FIELD:

MR, HOEFER:

Okay,

Right,

-- in municipal water.

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STOVER: Or bacterial

FIELD: Well, the city is required

Water Act to monitor their water --

STOVER: Okay. All right.

FIELD: -- on a fixed schedule.

STOVER: Okay.

FIELD: And what they're supposed

to monitor for are primary --we have primary contaminants

such as NPLs and a whol e slew of other things like

pesticides and metals that they test for. And they're

continually tested on those, and they're required to do

that under the Safe Drinking Water Act.

And those results should be supplied to you

yearly with a consumer

MS.

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confidence report.

STOVER: Yeah.

FIELD: And that tells you any

exceedences that occurred during that reporting period, and

if there were exceedenc

those exceedences.

es, what they did to mitigate any of

So if anything is in the water line that

would have been detected by the sampling, and the analysis

of it.

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STOVER: Uh-huh.

FIELD: So it might not be the

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water itself. It could be something in the plumbing if you

have real old plumbing.

MS. STOVER: I don't consider it very

old.

MR. FIELD: Okay. Okay.

MS. STOVER: It probably is old. I

just -- it just recently got bitter, and I've already had

muddy water. So you know --

MR. FIELD: Interesting.

MS. STOVER: Anyway, down the filters.

MR. FIELD: Correct.

MS. STOVER: I'm not going to tear up

my --

MR. FIELD: There are sediment filters

that you can put on like on your kitchen faucet.

underneath. Have somebody install one of those. Those act

really well.

MS. STOVER: Yeah, I thought under the

sink. So yeah, that would work better.

MR, FIELD: And you can buy those off

the shelf from like Lowe's or Home Depot,

MS, STOVER: Yeah, Well, that's what I

wondered what -- how powerful. Do I want to spend $250, or

is $19 going to do the job, you know.

MR, FIELD: Yeah, and again it goes on

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type of filter, and it will be a sediment filter I would

think and maybe a carbon filter because those really work

in getting any kind of impurities out. And those aren't

very expensive at all, I think you can probably put a

system in for a reasonable price of not -- nothing much,

MS, STOVER: And the danger is there

with the filtration, I heard somebody say or maybe I

misunderstood them, that they didn't want to use the

filtration system. And why would that be? Because it runs

on electric or what? I mean, what would be -- what would

be --

MR, FIELD: It runs on demand,

MS, STOVER: Yeah, that's what I

thought,

MR, FIELD: So when you turn the faucet

on, the pump kicks on, and the water goes through the

filtration system.

MS. STOVER: Well, why would somebody

make a comment that they were fearful of it? That's what

I'm asking you because I -- I don't have any idea.

MR. FIELD: One of the things that can

occur and it's based on the levels that are in the

groundwater. Based on your usage of water, the amount of

contaminants going in can foul the filter over time.

MS. STOVER: Okay.

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MR. FIELD: Okay. That's why we

require the scheduled monitoring on a quarterly basis, to

make sure that, what we call break-through, is not

occurring,

MS, STOVER: Okay,

MR, FIELD: Okay, In your instance, if

it's sediment or taste in the filters that you were to put

in place, you would notice a significant drop in pressure

because the filters would be fouled with sand or sediment

or whatever might be in the pipes. Then that would be the

time at which you would change the filters out.

MS. STOVER: Well, it's just recently

it's cloudy. The water is cloudy and it's bitter, and

that's a new thing. So that concerned me because I've got

a two-year-old there and some other kids there.

MR. FIELD: All right. Okay.

Personally I would call the city and talk to them and see

if there's been anything, any activity in the line.

MS. STOVER: Okay.

MR. FIELD: Air got in the line and

causes what looks like cloudiness, and actually it's just

oxygen. It's very small bubbles,

MS, STOVER: No, it settles in the

bottom of the glass,

MR, FIELD: Okay, You might want to

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talk to the city to see what kind of advice they would

offer.

MS. STOVER: Okay.

MR, FIELD: But you can buy filters

from Lowe's or Home Depot.

MS, STOVER: Okay,

MR, GATZEMEYER: I'd like to make one

comment. My name is Julius Gatzemeyer.

G-A-T-Z-E-M-E-Y-E-R.

She was making a comment about putting a

filter, the type filter in. One thing you want to be

careful with filters, if the filters aren't changed

regularly, you can create a contaminant situation.

MS. STOVER: Well, that's what I asked

about the --

MR. GATZEMEYER: If you don't change

them regularly, it can build up a bacteria, and it can be

worse than what you've got right now.

MR, FIELD: Right,

MR, GATZEMEYER: So just be aware of

that situation if you do install it.

MR, FIELD: There's no panacea really I

mean, when you try to treat something, something always

kind of comes around and the bacteria can build up in

there. And again, that's when you would notice a pressure

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drop. That's when you would immediately change those types

of filters, the sediment filter or the trap to try to

mitigate any of those potential risks.

MS. STOVER: Thank you.

MR. FIELD: You're welcome. Anybody

else?

MS. PIERCE: Beleda Pierce. It's

B-E-L-E-D-A, and my last name is Pierce. P-I-E-R-C-E,

And my question is on the injection of the

chemical oxidation, I don't quite understand that. Is

there any harm or hazard that we'd have to be concerned

about from that treatment?

MR. FIELD: The chemical oxidation,

whether it's sodium permanganate or potassium permanganate

or whatever is going to be used to deal with the PCE, the

only risk involved is risk to the handlers or the workers

that are injecting it or mixing it, putting it in the

ground.

The minute it comes in contact with

oxidizable material like PCE or TCE, it immediately is

destroyed or it destroys the PCE. But it's no -- as the

PCE or the chem ox material moves through the groundwater,

it destroys the PCEs. And as it moves from that, it slowly

dissolves and becomes infected because the component that

kills or destroys it is gone. So that's where the need for

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additional injections will come in afterward and kill it

again, then kill it again as it goes along.

So there will be a need for additional or

multiple injections, but there's no risk in the sense that

it's not going to show up in your well or a lot of it has

to do with the amount that's put in or the pressure added

to it to put it into the ground. All that will be worked

out critically if this were to turn into a remedial design

component.

I mean, this is just what we're thinking of

doing, and then if this were to go through, this gentlemen

would sit down with engineers and design it appropriately

to deal with the situation in the bedrock and then develop

it,

MS. PIERCE: Okay.

MR. FIELD: Any more questions or

comments? Okay. I guess we'll just go ahead and close it

out.

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proceedings were concluded at 8:53 p.m.)

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CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER

STATE OF MISSOURI )

) SS:

COUNTY OF JEFFERSON )

I, PATSY A. HERTWECK, Professional Court

Reporter within and for the State of Missouri, the officer

before whom the foregoing public hearing was taken, do

hereby certify that the hearing aforementioned was held at

the time and in the place previously described.

hand and seal

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my

Patsy A. Hertweck, C. C, R,

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exceedences 89:18,19,20

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excess 13:24 14:1,10

exfiltration 12:23

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farm

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farmed 6:17

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feeds 74:12 87:8

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guidelines 57:15 65:8

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